Planning A Birthday That Feels Like You

A birthday is not just a date on the calendar, it’s a mirror. We start by talking about why September feels like a preparation month for October milestones, and how checking your mental health, spiritual health, physical health, and financial health can change the way you celebrate. We get into why some people never “go all out” for birthdays, and what it looks like to plan something that actually fits your life instead of forcing a vibe. 

From there we pivot into hip hop culture and a story that hits a nerve: producer Hit-Boy helping his father launch a rap career later in life, reportedly investing serious money and connections to make it real. That opens up a bigger conversation about family responsibility, fresh starts, and boundaries. Do we owe our parents anything once we become successful, especially when the relationship is complicated? We also break down the difference between a rich mindset and a wealthy mindset, and why real wealth is often about sharing knowledge and systems, not just flashing money. 

Then we tackle a controversy that sparked loud reactions online: Fat Joe claiming “I’m black” while defending his use of the N-word. We talk identity, race, region, and lived experience, plus why slurs land differently depending on what you face in the world and whether you can move through spaces with privilege. 

We close with the heart of the conversation: how parents and communities can support young men dealing with mental health issues. We focus on proactive presence, normalizing check-ins before crisis, group wellness habits, mentorship, and the underrated power of strong male relationships. If this one made you think, subscribe, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more people can find the conversation.

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Welcome And Quick Catch Up

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I uh what's happening?

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Hey.

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Yo, uh, welcome to another episode of Pops and Sun Conversations. As always, it is your favorite Silver Fox, Rob.

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And it is me, J AKA Check. Three times.

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There it is.

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Got two. In a row. Yeah. Three times in a row.

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Hey.

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Three times in a row. I knew that one catch.

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I knew you catch that, right? What's up, man? How you feeling? Good. Okay. Yeah, I'm good. Okay, you got the glasses on. Yeah, you know. I gotta see. I'm blind. I I need to be able to see, but I'm glad that all I gotta do is look at the camera and just rely on you to whatever notes and all that, whatever I need to remember.

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That's it. We good.

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Hey, that's that's a family that a family that prays. All right.

September Prep And Birthday Plans

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So um, man, you know, I'm really enjoying, you know, this month of uh September because uh, you know, a lot of different things happen uh in October. So I feel like September be the preparation month.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, uh I start thinking about what type of mental health, what type of spiritual health, what type of financial health, and what type of physical health going into the birthday month. That's what September really, really gives me. Yeah. Prepare prep and valuation because you don't want to be like on your birthday like dang. You you want to be prepared so you can truly celebrate your birthday. So that's why I think you know September is uh is a good time. I mean, I know the Virgos be on it.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

You know, birthdays, man. I just I don't know, man. Like I I feel like I really haven't like really celebrated my birthday last time. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Um took you to dinner last year, that wasn't nothing.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Nah, it was something, but to me, like a like a a a party, like a big, you know what I'm saying? Like I never really went all out for my birthday. That's that's that's all I'm saying. Okay, you want to? What you do? I do want to, but I'm like, I'm kind of on the fence about it. Like I do, but then I don't because I just never, like, to me, my birthday was like, okay, cool, birthday. Like, yeah, I don't have the same, like, reverence for the like people go all out on their birthdays. Yeah. Like, people know, hey, my birthday coming up. I want this, I want this, I want this. I'm not working. Right. Don't ask me for nothing. Like, you got those facts. Their birthday is a holiday. Like, I never really treated my birthday like that. But I want to though. Okay. That's that's basically what I'm saying. So I don't know if it's gonna be this year, all right, but I want to plan it out and really and really celebrate. Like do my big one as they say.

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Alright, so maybe we'll do like a cruise or something.

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Something about that. Yeah, cruise be late.

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So we'll do a cruise uh next year.

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Yeah, I haven't been on a cruise before.

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Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's do that. Matter of fact, we'll plan it like starting next month to give people an entire year to prepare for. Yeah. So we can have like 300 people on the ship. Oh. Just our people. Right? And some stowaways. So I guess we gotta be chill with it too, right?

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Hey man. Right.

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We ain't having no birthday party for it.

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Oh wow.

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We ain't doing nothing. We ain't doing them. Nah.

Why Free Support Matters

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All right, so look, uh, let's jump right into this uh episode for this week. Uh, I just want to thank everybody for the support. Yep. You know, uh, Pops and Sell Conversations we're embarking on, I don't know, maybe about 18 months into the actual podcast, something like that. And a lot of people didn't even know about it, like within our uh circle. Right. It was so many people that were supporting us from different countries, different states, and different cities. People just saw us on social media, they was like, yeah, we'll support you. Because all it takes is is a click on your favorite streaming platform, right? How much does that cost? That costs nothing. Nah dah. Zero. Right? Even though even with the uh the new uh YouTube uh subscribers, how much does it cost to be a subscriber? Nothing. All you gotta do is click subscribe for the free scheme. Oh, man. $3.99. $3.99. Everybody loves free stuff, right? They do, man. Come on. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I feel like free stuff comes with a certain standard. Like if you get something free, then uh a person's like, there wasn't a whole bunch of value in it for me to keep it. Oh, that's why they gave it away for the free. That's why they gave it away for the free. But but but we're not talking about us. This is not the case, yeah. No, it's value. It's free game right here. This is free game, indeed. So let's jump

Hit-Boy And Funding His Dad

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right in, man. Um Yeah, let's do it. What do you want to talk about? Anything? Anything. I I know that you had one to talk about. Let's go ahead and jump into the whole uh the old hip-hop situation. I know some some hip hop got.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so yeah, it's an interesting question I got for you. Okay. Uh, so Hip Boy. Hip Boy is a producer. Um he did a bunch of different songs for Kanye, Jay-Z, Diamond Records, Platinum Records. Like, he's he's he's a big deal of hip-hop. So um recently he came out and he was talking about how his dad basically been in and out of jail, prison, one one or the other, and uh his dad kind of like had this dream of being a rapper.

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Okay.

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So what he did was basically set him up. He gave him like the rapper starter kit, so to speak.

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Okay.

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And I think he went by big hit or something like that. And uh basically, you know, he put him on as a rapper, got him, got him features, got him, got them all tour, taking them on tour, rapping with different rappers, out the whole thing.

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How old is the dad?

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I think I I I don't don't don't quote me. I want to say like in his 50s. Y'all believe me, in his 50s. Okay. So um, so obviously they, you know, they got like a tumultuous relationship. He'd been, you know, in and out of jail, whatever the case is, but his boy was still like, yo, I'm gonna do this for my pops. Yeah. So he put him on. Yeah. Uh didn't end didn't end well because the pops basically ended up going back to doing what he was doing and got him in trouble. Um got himself in trouble? Yeah, yeah, and kind of like squandered it. So my question basically is like, do you feel like as as a child you owe, like, say, you know, you you get successful.

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Right.

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And your pops didn't do that well, or your mom, whatever the case is, like, do you feel like you owe it to them to to kind of like pour into them or make, you know, help them actualize their dreams or something like that?

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That's that's a really good question. Um, and that's usually like in reverse, right?

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Exactly.

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So for a child, um, you know, the obligation part, I'm not, I wouldn't say uh I I would feel obligated, but I would feel heavily influenced because if I'm gonna help anybody out, and and and this is what I do, this is my niche, um I'm I'm I'm gonna take care of my pops. You know, it's nothing for me. I'm not going out of my way. Uh I'm not doing something that I'm uncomfortable doing. If this is just my niche, then you know, by all means, man, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna put pops on. And I and I think in our culture, I think that's important that we get away from people talking about this nepotism and and and you know, different things about, you know, feeling some type of way. Because, you know, for me, man, family's family.

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Yeah.

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And uh even if you don't have the best relationship or the his hist historically, you don't have a great relationship, I believe in in fresh starts. You know, as long as you have an understanding that it's genuine and um, you know, we can we can work together. I definitely would. What about yourself?

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No, I agree 100%.

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Yeah.

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So uh an another thing I left out, he supposedly he said he spent like over a million dollars to make this happen.

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You love that a lot.

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But but yeah, that's what it that's what he said. But but you made a good point because I mean he was already in that field. You hit your boy, you make the hit records, you got the beats and all that. So it's really nothing. Like, who's to say, like, you know, whether that was like an actual million or he was like value for what he did. Whatever the case is, either way it goes. I agree with you. I think that, you know, family is like if you're not gonna do it for family, who you who you gonna do it for, right? Like, yeah, a lot of people feel like um, you know, blood, I I I don't I can't even remember the saying, but blood thick in the water. Yeah, blood thick in the water, but you then you'll have people say, like, oh, it's not that thick or whatever. But people have issues with their family, whatever the case is. Yeah. But like you said, it's a fresh start, and as long as it's genuine.

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Yeah.

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Like, I don't think um that we should have any reservations towards like taking a chance. You know what I'm saying? And hey man, maybe he feels like afterwards, you know, I'm done with you now. Like, I try to help you out and you stuck in your ways. You feel like you, you know, you you be, it's more beneficial for you to be locked up, or whatever the case is. Like, sometimes you just can't change people, but I don't I don't blame him for extending that. You know what I'm saying? I don't think he I don't think he did anything wrong, but it was some conversation online, people calling him crazy, like I would have never done this, that, and the third.

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But people don't have resources to talk like that. Well, that's

Rich Versus Wealthy Thinking

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a good thing. You know what I found out, man, in life, and and I've experienced so many um different paths of you know trying to create wealth, being broke, being a hard worker from nine to five, being a broke small business owner entrepreneur, being successful, being uh now finally being where I can mentor folks, you know, and I and I'm the part of mentor is sharing your failures. Yeah, because your failures are are your stepping stones to your successes.

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Yeah right?

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Nobody has all success.

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Nah.

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Right? So you have to talk about failure to, you know, um talk about your path or your journey. But what I noticed was uh rich people or people who think they're rich gatekeepers. Wealthy people understand that they can't consume all the consumers. So wealthy people will give you so much more gain than a rich person, because a rich person just thinks about money. Right. A wealthy person talks about knowledge, right? So they don't have to give you a million dollars to help you start your business. They can give you a $10 million game plan to where you can take what you have, all your resources and tools and team, and then get the $10 million. A rich person will be like, nah, nah, you you're gonna need $25k to get started, and I ain't got it. So they're not even gonna be bothered with you. And so, I mean, I said that to say that, you know, the mindset of people that have genuine hearts uh and consideration uh are so different than than other people that just complain and talk about you know how family did them wrong, and you know, versus you know, just being the best version of yourself and and meeting people where they are. They ain't got to go with you, and you ain't got to go with them, but you can meet them where they are and stay there.

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Yeah.

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I don't see nothing wrong with that. I don't see nothing wrong with it either. Yeah, man, but yeah, old Mill took it on pops. Hey. And he he wanted three hots in the cock, man. Yeah, man. Some people just like that.

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Institutionalize, my brother. Yeah, exactly. No, for real. That's real. That's what I mean.

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When you go in and out like that, you just brothers out there, we know institutionalized walking, walking around in Atlanta right now.

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That's that's affinity.

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Like they say, that's a fact.

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All right, man. So so Hitboy is different than Hitmaker, right? Them two different guys.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Hitmaker is different. Okay.

Rap Names And Podcast Consistency

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Honestly, Hitboy got a big thing. Yeah, he's he's a bigger, bigger producer.

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Yeah, man. Okay. But hitmaker doing his thing though. Yeah, yeah, man. I like how they got their little the little joints in their in their music to let you know. Oh yeah. Hitmaker.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of cool.

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You know that's young Berg, though, right? No, I didn't know that. Hitmaker is Young Berg. He re he rebranded. What? Yeah, so he's been behind the scenes.

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Young Berg reminds me of Raz B a little bit. Is that weird? Does that make sense though?

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I never put that together, but I see where you're coming from. I see Young Berg.

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Oh man.

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Yeah, yeah. That's that's genius. But you know he had to do something because he was getting clowned.

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Yeah, of course.

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He was getting clowned. So he couldn't even use that name anymore.

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Young Bird is. He was getting clowned, right? But that ain't gonna help. Now people are gonna be like, hey, it makes we know you young bird.

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But I mean it. It don't matter. He produces now, and he got hits. Yeah, it don't even matter. They can't say nothing.

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What'd you create them hits out?

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Yeah. They can't say nothing.

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No, no, boy, to the haters, man.

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He got hits, man.

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Yeah. Alright, so I remember you were talking about uh Fat Joe a little bit earlier off camera on the game.

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Fat Joe.

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So before we go into that, man, shout out to all these rappers with these podcasts, man. They're going crazy.

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They're taking over the game.

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Look, look, Button has been going crazy, right? Even though people were clowning him, he was steady.

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He stayed, he stayed, he stayed with it. So now, I mean, he's one of the top guys.

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He's one of the top guys, man. Two Joes, Joe Rogan, Joe Button. Come on, man. Like that.

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Yeah.

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So uh so Jada and Fat Joe. Oh yeah, Joe and Jada. Joe and Joe. I didn't I didn't expect that combination, man. Did you know that they rocked out like that?

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I did not know. Didn't see that combination.

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It's a good combination. Do we got any records together though? I don't know. I don't even think they they like spit on the project. What y'all doing?

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Hey, man.

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I know you like the pod and rap. You a rapper. Y'all are rappers, man.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I don't even like Jay the podcast voice, man. I can't, but shout out to the pod. I listened to a few episodes, but yeah. And then they got the Netflix deal, so they got the they got the money with it.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Look, look, keep at it, man, because we're gonna get a deal soon.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Oh yeah.

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So the thing is, um, just keep at it. Like, don't worry about views, worry about consistency, right? Because it may be that 100th episode or that 200th episode, and somebody's like, yo, we love what you're doing. What else do you have? How long you've been doing this? Boom, you got your catalog. You don't want to be like discouraged, and then, you know, yeah, I started it in 2021 and I ain't getting no views, so I just started back.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

And that's just a lame story to tell. Like, you don't want to tell that story. Like, yeah, I used to have a podcast. Like, no, bro. You want to say, hey man, come listen to me right now. I've been right now. Yeah, so I think that's uh I'll be keeping that in mind too. But yeah, so we don't even had to stay too long on this, though we could. Okay. So he recently had a controversy because he went on the Joe Butter podcast. Fat Joe? Yeah, he went on, they interviewed

Fat Joe Identity And Slurs

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him.

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They go to each other's odds.

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That's cool. Yeah, so he went on there, and Fat Joe basically he came and they said, I'm black. I'm the blackest one in here. What? And kind of in defense of him using the N-word. Because you know, Fat Joe records, he don't care. He he said. But when you look at Fat Joe, you like, you don't look like You a Spanish guy. Yeah, you don't, you don't. So for me, I'm like, all right. Where I grew up, this the day they that that wasn't going down. Like anybody with anybody? No, if so this is what I'm saying. Anybody that wasn't black, melanated black, is what I'm saying. Right. Negro. If you heard them say the N-word, people looking around, eyebrows are raised. Yeah. But I understand that in certain regions it's not like that. Okay. So I think they're from the Bronx. So in the Bronx, they they that's they they get it off like that. Right. They do that.

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Right, right.

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And so basically he was making a case of that's how we grew up. He grew up around all black people, this, that, and the third. And so it made, and of course, people online is like, when he said that in the room, nobody checked him. Yeah. But I'm ahead, I'm like, man, that's New York. That's that's what they like.

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Yeah.

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If you're gonna check, it's like you gotta go check a thousand other people. Right, right. Don't start with me. Exactly. So for one, it's like it makes me think like as as black people, as melanity people, like, how do we feel about that? And then two, I mean, I think it just uh it raises a deeper question about race.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Because if Fat Joe is saying, if he's identifying himself like that, that's how he feels. And we think about what race is, we created race to catalyst, it's not like uh uh a natural thing. Like people we created race to be able to identify people. So if you're saying you black, I'm not gonna say that I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say I agree with it, but I'm not gonna disagree with you feeling like that, I guess. Now saying the N-word is to me is a different conversation because I don't I really don't think anybody should say it. Okay. That's kind of my stance on it. Yeah, I'm a hypocrite because I use it, but in reality, I don't think any, I don't think any slur, anybody should use any slurs across the board. F-word, um, R-word, all these, you know, all these different words. I don't think anybody should say it, because if somebody, if you're gonna offend somebody, why would you want to blatantly offend somebody like that? So that's what I think. But if if I'm gonna make a case, I would say the people that use the N-word use it, uh, I mean, we we kind of know the history behind it. But if you're not walking through the world and dealing with the problems that black people have to deal with because of your skin color, then I would say that you probably shouldn't say it. If you could pass for whites, you probably shouldn't be saying it, despite how you can.

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Okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I think you gotta be conscious of that. Yeah. Because whether or not Fat Joe feels like, bro, I I get it. You grew up around black people, you in hip hop, you helped the genre and all that. Yeah. But you could walk in somewhere and you probably ain't never got no weird stairs, you ain't never been stopped in frisked. Like, you didn't have to deal with the type of you know, setbacks and and the uh the profile in that people with darker skin had to deal with. No, I get that. So that's that's my take on it.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

I um I agree with you 100%.

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I don't think he should be saying that.

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Yeah, I I don't, you know, I don't like I don't like it myself. Uh I will use it uh discretionary, you know, without you know what I mean, when we turn the camera off, I might go crazy, right? But but but I I I do feel um as a man of of uh melanation that it's not real good representation. Like we should be able to articulate better than that, right? Exactly. You know, if if the the people before us were able to articulate without using profanity, uh derogatory terms and things like that, exercise that. I I feel like you're not using your right side of your brain if you feel like all the words got to come out. And that goes for the B word, the N-word, the C word, whatever the case is, articulate yourself. But but at the same time, I understand that back in the day, because when I think about how loosely it was in the 50s, 60s, and 70s on TV, like white folks were saying it on TV blatantly, right? Yeah. No beeping out, and and of course, you know, nowadays you can get away with it because nothing's censored in the censorship is a censored. No, none of that, right? But uh but I I do feel like uh I still feel like it's derogatory, and uh nobody should really feel um like uh they they have the entitlement to use it well, whether um discretionary or or loosely. So nah, nah, bro. You you ain't been through the struggles of the guy of the people that's been called that.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

That's all I'm saying. Right. Yeah, so that's fair.

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Yeah.

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And I and other I just don't understand why people like why you want to say it so bad. Like, why is why is that it's so many words. What are you looking for? Why is that always the one that causes like, oh no, I can say it. Like, okay. Like, bro, why you get it, you want a cookie, like, okay, you you can say, you can say it, like, uh, I just got out.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

Hey, hey, uh, non-black, hey, them white folks, they love, like, it's you see it all the time, man. And they know what's coming.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah.

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They don't care.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Man. You already know you're about to lose your fronts, man. You keep it up. Yeah, it's over with. Everybody is not, like, it's everybody is not tolerant. No. Yeah, you can't get the issue on site. Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

You can't get the issue, man. Hey, alright, so look, let's let's go with the question of the day, because I think we're gonna spend some time on this one. And I think this this was one uh one of the most powerful. questions that we've been asked

Being Present For Young Men

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to answer you know on the spot on this episode so uh the question of the day is um how do you deal how do young men and how do you deal with young men going through mental health issues how do you deal with it as a parent as as somebody in the community okay and and how do you support it when you have that in your house and then how do you deal with it as that young man how how do you how do you do that and so when I was asking about the age they was like you know you can start at 10 because you know even those young boys and we talk about that all the time that these young men uh these young boys are going through so much pressure of having to be the man in the house and and uh some of them can't even go to school full time they they're out here husband they're out here trying to get jobs at 14 years old they can't even play sports uh they got uh utilities and their names that they got to keep up with real life real life man I thought the utility joints was over but apparently they making the kids get them now like usually they sneak the social right and they just come in the mail like the kid ain't gonna look and sift through the mail see what they got coming right that's that's wrong that's so wrong who taught who started this talking about the ghetto desperate measures man but nah um I that's that's hard it's it's no easy for me it's no easy answer for it right um because the way I feel about it right now I'm still learning so much about mental health and how to deal with it myself so I don't I don't think um for me I could give like a you know an answer but I try to say um I think that just presence and reinsurance is really big.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Yeah I think a lot of times especially when you're young man you you get that that feeling of oh nobody understand and I'm lonely I got nobody to talk to yeah but just uh I would say the reassurance and you know kind of just being there and it's I think it matters most when it's not like wh while it's going on. For sure you know what I'm saying because while it's going on it's tough. So you gotta make you gotta make the presence known when everything is all good. Like I think that's that's the way to get in is like yo you know just just out of the blue you know like hey man let's let's just sit and talk. Yeah you know make it a kind of like routine or or at least more uh familiar make it a familiarity so that when those uh those mental health issues occur whatever that may be you know it's it's not seeming like misunderstood that's true you know I think a lot of times people wait too late to try to reach out or try to connect and by that time a person is feeling like almost almost targeted exactly almost targeted and less receptive because you know you now I'm already in my head I'm already going through what I'm going you know what I mean so I think I think that just kind of always being conscious of it and I love that the conversation today has evolved yeah that we're a lot more understanding than we were years ago to you know you know parents and and fathers are able to kind of be more aware yeah you know whereas you know back in the day it's like what is it with depression mental health yeah who knows what that is yeah go clean your room right you know what I mean so now uh I think it's it's really good now that it's it's been identified and we can kind of have work with different tools to you know to to help mend it like I'm not claiming I got answers to to to cure it I don't think anybody does and we all go through it yeah um but just kind of making sure that that we're being uh present for for when those times do happen. That's good is what I would say.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

No that's that's really good um uh outlook and perspective and it's good even you know

Family Wellness Checks And Mentors

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at your age in your early 30s to be able to identify that there is a need right because uh sometimes you know people just are like that boy crazy something wrong with it so it can't get right so uh I think also in addition to what you said I think making it a group effort is gonna help so uh then it like you said somebody doesn't feel like they're being targeted or picked on uh by one particular person and I'm saying making it a group effort like all of us let's check all of our mental oh yeah you know what I mean that way it's not like well we know you guys let's let's actually do a a real wellness check on the family yeah and if we could be more um proactive in creating that that safer space to be able to have these conversations so it's not weird or untimely then I think that'll be important. And so we're talking about you know young men of course and so I I think it's really important to find uh a mentorship program or mentorship uh you know advocacy even if it's uh virtual you know so that other young men can see that okay I'm not the only one that may be confused at these times or the only one that's searching for something I don't know what it is some type of void. Exactly and so uh if we could start doing that I mean that's something that we talked about doing oh yeah you know is putting even a virtual community together uh just as an outlet you know nothing offensive or invasive is what I'm saying just something to just kind of identify hey you know what we're all navigating through life we got peaks and valleys in life uh you know that is not abnormal however you're feeling is is uh is how you're feeling right so let's address it than than avoid it or make you feel like an outcast because it may be different in the environment or the community that you're in. So I think that those things are important and and there's always encouraging male relationships.

Why Male Relationships Matter

SPEAKER_02 30:52

I think that's something that has really been underrated is male relationships. I'm trying I'm not trying to pick on the the women the ladies but sometimes when the ladies aren't having great relationships then they keep men away from their son. And I'm talking about men that don't even necessarily want to date them. Right. You know so just kind of keeping them away from you know certain communities or certain men and things like that and I I promise you we all need each other. You know whether you think whether you think you do or don't we all need each other and that's going to be important that we you know continue to uh you know embrace that and uh I think that we'll be better you know one day at a time one step at a time more yeah so look that's that man that's man that was quick I know you gotta do it hey but that was it though that was that was that was it so look uh thank you guys for your support um always like subscribe share um social media YouTube uh we thank you guys for every place that you've been supporting us that being said man we'll check you guys out next episode as always your favorite father son duo pops on conversations favorite silver fox Rob Malloyd Shape Three Times checking out man we out of here