Pops and Son Conversations
Join US Air Force Veteran, Presidential Achievement Award Recipient, author, philanthropist, and social media influencer, Rob Malloy, and his son, author and model, Javan Anderson, as they navigate the generation gap with humor and heart.
On this podcast, Rob and Javan tackle a wide range of topics – from life lessons and fatherhood to current events and pop culture – offering a unique blend of old-school wisdom and new-school perspectives. Expect lively debates, unexpected insights, and plenty of laughs along the way.
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Pops and Son Conversations
Episode 1: Challenging Traditions in Modern Households
Can financial savvy and emotional intelligence redefine modern household leadership? Join me, Rob Malloy, and my son Javan, as we navigate the shifting tides of gender roles within our own family history and beyond. We've witnessed firsthand how traditional setups can evolve, with my mom stepping into the marketing world and paving the way for women in entrepreneurship. This episode dissects how these changes impact household dynamics and the essential role of partnership in strengthening family bonds, no matter who brings home the bacon. Our candid conversation uncovers the layers of respect and understanding necessary to maintain balance and ensure every voice is heard.
As we explore the realities of gender roles and financial dynamics, we question the age-old archetypes of men as providers and women as nurturers. How do these roles shift when it's the women at the financial helm? We delve into the complexities of relationships shaped by capitalism and societal norms, offering insights into the importance of embracing growth, resilience, and understanding between partners. Javan and I share our thoughts on transparency and patience in building genuine connections, especially when navigating setbacks. Our dialogue reflects on how recognizing individual strengths can create a complementary partnership, challenging traditional hierarchies while fostering growth and mutual respect.
Reflecting on the past, we reminisce about an era when neighborhoods were tight-knit communities with shared responsibilities. We contrast this with today's more solitary outlook and explore the vital role of mentorship and role models, particularly for young men. By advocating for less screen time and more real-world interactions, we suggest pathways for personal growth. Throughout our discussion, we aim to provide a platform for listeners to explore their own challenges and aspirations, inviting them to join us on this journey of understanding and community-building. My Dad and I sign off with a nod to nostalgia and an eye on the future, encouraging openness in all relationships.
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Welcome to another episode of Pops and Son Conversations podcast style. It's your favorite still Fox, Rob Malloy.
Speaker 2:That's Pops and I'm Son Javen here, and today's topic we're going to be talking about leadership. So, Dad, I want to ask you a question about how you feel about leadership in today's modern time. Do you think it's like a financial thing, an emotional thing, or do you think it deals with a little bit of both?
Speaker 1:That's a good question. I think it's a good combination of it all because you have to think about things are a little bit different now, even past me. You know, in my dad's time, uh, you know, things were a lot more traditional, meaning the men brought in the money the women were more of, uh domesticated oh yeah took care of the kids, cook clean. Never smell like onion rings.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's a lot different. There's a lot more opportunities for women. The households look different now, being that you know it's about finances, you know capitalism and opportunities for entrepreneurship, right, women in the, uh, corporate world. Uh, then we have business ownership and just different things like that has opened up. So it's, it's a lot different.
Speaker 1:Son, to be honest with you, but concentrating on on back in the day, because my dad and mom were very, very traditional, um, you know your granddad, he was, he was a navy uh chief, and mom, you know, took care of the kids at the house and she made sure that everything was tip-top shape, especially with him being in the navy. So you know, he, he traveled for months at a time, so, uh, so you know my mom had to hold it down, which she did wonderfully. So, um, but again, very different, you know, very different. And even with my mom, she decided to get into marketing a little bit later on in her career. As the kids, yeah, I was the only one left when she decided to, you know, shift careers, and so I got a chance to see her do her thing in the entrepreneurial world.
Speaker 2:So it was really dope okay, that's awesome, would you say. That's a little bit of uh. You know where some of your inspiration come from.
Speaker 1:As far as entrepreneurship, yeah, I would say it's a combination of you know. Okay, he's a hard worker, uh, he's a provider. So I knew, as a father, as a man, I had to do whatever it takes to hold things down. And you know, with mom just seeing her maneuver she's always been a people person. I know that's where I get that from, just being able to talk to people and never meet that I definitely got that from her. Now, the entrepreneurship for me started a little bit later in life, after I had a career in the medical field. You know I wanted to be able to reach people in a different way and so, you know, I got into health and fitness and wellness and I kind of fell into the entrepreneur game. But you know, I've been riding a wave ever since man, it's been a good look.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, Listen, I'm right behind you, pops, but I want to just go, uh, jump back into something real quick. Um, so we, you kind of touched on the financial a little bit, but it was a another part to it, the emotional side of it. Like how do you feel about um leadership in the household? On the emotional side, I mean, is that important? Does it? Is it just as you know, as as as beneficial? Like what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1:uh, you know. So, like I mentioned, um, historically and traditionally, the, the man, was the breadwinner. Now you know we're, we're uh 2024, 2025 and moving forward, uh, women are getting that bread. You, you know they get into it. So you have to be a confident guy. You have to actually have a partner for this thing to make sense and work out.
Speaker 1:If not, a lot of brothers are feeling a certain way because women are becoming a lot more successful financially successful financially and they're building a strong independence of being able to be business owners and be uh you know uh people in the, in the corporate world. You know cfo's, vice presidents, that type of thing. So I would say, on the emotional part, you really have to have a strong uh partner. And then you guys have to understand what the game plan is for the household, because for me personally, it doesn't matter if she makes more salary than I would, because it's one household. So that's right.
Speaker 1:Everything really should be combined and dispersed to where it makes sense, to where, to where it's a well-oiled machine. So for me, man, it's not even really about personal finances. You and your significant other need to be building a business and allow that business to finance and take care of expenses and whatever you have going on. Let the business do it, because at that point you're not worried about who makes this and who makes that. It's make sure this business is making a profit to cover these bills and expenses, okay now, I agree with that.
Speaker 2:I still. I still think that the male, though, has to um, you know, I, I still, I still think the male, even even if it's that scenario where you know the woman has the salary, she's making the money, you know, because it's going to you, I don't know, I just feel like you can't help but feel some type of way. If you, in that situation, and you still don't have, like, any type of like say so or something like that, it's almost like you just like along for the ride, like the male, you still have to be, you know, um, commanding or have some type of say so in the household, like you can't just let let your woman run everything in the crib. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, and take care of you, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, nah nah, nah, nah. You might as well go ahead and put. You might as well go ahead and put on her jeans that's.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like you gotta have some leadership um, put you some baby fats on some some chic uh nah nah but you're right about that.
Speaker 1:Um and that's something that I think is really important um, as a man, even if you have never been surrounded by strong leaders, you still have the opportunity to take control of your well-being. So you have to have personal growth and development, you have to be open-minded to learn some new things, and then you also have to be willing to fail, because if you don't fail, you don't know how to bounce back, you don't know how to regroup, you don't know how to rebuild and get to the next level. But it all does start with leadership. It starts with ownership and responsibility, and then your significant other will respect that, you know.
Speaker 1:And so that's why, for me, money is only one aspect of it, right, because you still have to have the financial literacy. So somebody can make a whole bunch of money, but you can blow it just as fast. So you have to have that financial literacy. You also have to be like you said. You have to be in that leadership position. You have to own that, and I think that's something that women can appreciate and not necessarily focus on the financial aspect, because sometimes money comes and goes, but you want to get to the point to where you know what to do with it when you get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, since we, since we already kind of brought up the the relationship aspect of it I want to ask you about, like the partnership versus the hierarchy, and I think a lot of times in relationships that gets the lines get blurred there.
Speaker 2:So my question is, as far as far as leadership in your relationship, does that is, does that equate to dominance? Like, okay, you're the leader, but does does that mean that you are, you know, the dominant force in a relationship? I think that there's. I think, I don't know, I think that it could be a sliding scale at times, because I think that, as a man, in a relationship, there's just some things that you have to, you know, quote-unquote lay the law down about. Just as a man, just with the vision, with you know, knowing where you're going, knowing your purpose and knowing how you want your family and your household to operate. I think that there has to be some dominance there. But you know, I don't know, some people would say like, at that point, you like being a dictator or you being, you know you controlling or something like that.
Speaker 2:So it's like what, what, what do we? Where do we stop from dominance to controlling?
Speaker 1:like I don't get it yeah, yeah, that's, uh, that's a really good point. Um, you know, backing it up to the part where you're, you were mentioning partnership versus the hierarchy um, a lot of people have to learn partnership, I think. Historically and traditionally you know the hierarchy God, man, woman, you know. But true partnership is is when both parties understand your strengths and your weaknesses and you're able to accept that and build onto that. So, for instance, if, if you know, some guys are just good at making money, you know they can work, they can hustle, they can bring home the money, but then a lot of times they don't know how to multiply. That I think women are. You know, some women are very, very good at multiplying, especially when it comes to finances. It's just an instinctual, innate ability man to just to just generate and multiply. You know finances and so understanding partnership is like your role. Ok, you know what this is, what I'm good at, this is what I'm going to continue. I'm going to continue to do and I'm going to stay in my lane until I continue to learn and acquire more skills. I think that's the partnership part.
Speaker 1:The hierarchy is what it is. Men have to get direction from God. The woman follows the leadership of that man because he's getting direction and guidance from God and the man trusts his woman to take care of the household, to multiply things and to be fruitful. Like, fruitful isn't just dropping kids off, right, that's fruitful is is multiplying the things in the household. You know the loving household, the caring household, making a house a home, even with the kids. You know and you know making sure that the kids are good with the kids. You know and you know making sure that the kids are good. But at the same time, a lot of the activity is interchangeable because, again, there's strength and there's weaknesses. Some men are really, really good with the kids, like they know how to get the kids quiet and make them sit down and stuff like that. And you know a mom can go and she can get a bubble bath and things like that. So I think that's you know where partnership and hierarchy, there's a better understanding because, even still, each household is going to be unique.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, every household is going to be different and I think when you were explaining that, it just kind of brought me back to the financial aspect. I just start thinking about the woman that's making the cash. You're making the cash flow, and then you talk about the hierarchy. All right, well, I'm not sure if it's like one of those things that's like a hard pill to swallow, but I mean, you see it, where the women, they don't want the guy that's, they don't want the bus driver, they making that cash, they don't want the bus driver.
Speaker 2:Of course we know when the shoe is on the other foot, the guys we don't have a problem picking up the waitress, wiping her up or whatever, not to talk down on anybody, but it's just examples. So when we swap it and we look at the hierarchy, you know it's it's kind of a, it's kind of an interesting dynamic because, like you said, the man gets um, the message from God, and then you know the hierarchy goes down. So I just kind of wonder how you know how the women feel in that scenario. Like dude, like they will have to understand, and I don't know if it's like a humbling thing or if it's just like I don't know what it is, but a lot of times you just don't see it. It's like yeah, I understand that, but it's not going to qualify for me unless you make x amount. Like if I make more than you, then the hierarchy is it don't count, you know what I'm saying like.
Speaker 2:So I just I just think that's interesting money over everything but but see, that's that's just.
Speaker 2:I think that's just america, man, like you said, the capitalism is brought us to this point where you know the money is what is what really talks over the relationship it's going to talk over, you know, when you date and like it's just, like that's what it is. I don't know if there's a lot you know out there, like when you date and where it's just not going to come up, or where you're going to meet somebody and they just not going.
Speaker 1:At least had that in the back of your mind, you know well, the good part and the good news is that you know there are some great women out here that desire a man to lead and they even have the understanding that. You know, sometimes it's a building process. Sometimes that guy got knocked down and he has to, you know, rebuild. Or sometimes that guy was in a situation to where, you know, he got got. You know there's women that understand that and, just like women, want us to understand. Ok, you know I was with a guy and you know I thought I loved him. Things didn't work out. You know I had to rebuild, or you know I lost my loved him. Things didn't work out. You know I had to rebuild, or you know I lost my identity so I started doing things that really was a detriment to me.
Speaker 1:So when you peel back the layers and that's something that has to happen to really get a better understanding is, everybody can look good on the outside Right, but when you dig deep and you peel those layers back, man, there's a lot of people that have been through some things, so they have their guard up, so they're very reserved and they don't want to put themselves in a position where they have to be vulnerable. Yeah, which is OK. So what it's going to take is going to take more transparency. It's going to take some honesty. It's also going to take some time to really experience if a person is real, if they're about what they say they are. And once a person starts vetting better, then you understand that you don't have any time for time wasters, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that vetting, that vetting is so important, it's so important, but that takes time to like you, can you know you can spend time vetting through some, some, uh, some unfavorable candidates.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying right, right, right.
Speaker 2:So I guess you know, you just got to be consistent and just keep at it. But that's one of them things where that's just the name of the game, like that's just you just get. That's just one of the byproducts of dating, one of the byproducts of, you know, putting yourself out there and getting to know different people. But I just, I just always thought it was so interesting, but I don't know, I might, I might be a little jaded because my generation is like. I feel like my generation, I feel like you probably experienced, you know, women back in the crib, like back in the day, where they weren't like super money focused, you know.
Speaker 1:I've seen the wave, I've seen the movement, I've seen the transition, right. That's why, guys, my age, of course, you know I'm close to 50. I'll be 50, you know, october 2025. And so that's why I'm so patient. You know I'm so patient when it comes to meeting a person and getting to know a person. I don't have a whole lot of expectations, but for you to be who you are, let me see who you are.
Speaker 1:If you a whiner, if you a beggar, if you have maintenance and that's who you are I may like that, right. If you're super needy and that's who you are, I may like that, because I don't want someone who is a schizophrenic or bipolar. No, I don't know who you are every other day. Yeah, you know what I'm saying and you know. But at the end of the day also, you have different types of people and a lot of people are molded by their experiences. So they may have been nice and sweet and super submissive and give you the benefit of the doubt Right. But you know, some things done happen in their life and then she's like nah, nah, I ain't playing a fool, no more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can't do it. So she may be on the offense than the defense. She may be like look, I'm trying to get what I'm trying to get Foist, yeah. So it just depends.
Speaker 2:But again, when you pull back the layers, you see who they are to the core, right, right, right, okay, all right, yeah, I like that, I like that. So let me ask you, um about this, how you feel about the expectations, culturally, um, of the male leadership and families. You know, I guess we could kind of I don't know if we want to specify black families, but definitely I think there might be some differences across the different races and ethnicities.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's be 100%. The melanative people, you know, the folks of color, have definitely had different challenges than any other cultural group. That's what we have to literally talk about. We've struggled through societal expectations and acceptance. What comes with that is, uh, some some educational situations to where you know we were just underserved community, yeah. So so bridging that gap, just by itself, before you even start talking about leaderships and family and households and things like that, it's been a challenge. You know, for centuries it's been a challenge. You know for centuries it's been a challenge.
Speaker 1:So I think we're in a better place because we have more resources and we have more access. I think it's more so about application at this point, you know, application of knowledge, and I don't even really want to give like the societal and I don't even really want to give like the societal the. I feel like it's judgment when we start talking about societal. So what I would like to hear more so on is our evolution of our culture and so the expectation when we start talking about leadership leadership was very dominant, you know, even back in the, the 60s and 70s. It's just that we had, you know, challenges with the exposure of it and and so much pushback right. So, yeah, well, where we're at now? Um, obviously we have the our rights.
Speaker 1:Not that they have been reinstated, but they are reinforced, and I think that it's more so when we talk about culture, it's just meant really starting from home. You know, charity begins at home. Things starting at home meaning making sure that our families are intact, and so the reason why the male leadership was so strong back in the day is because the support systems were so strong. Yeah, that's to me, that's the biggest difference that we're dealing with. It's been a tug of war nowadays, right, and I think that it has a lot to do with, you know, families being broken, do with you know families being broken, of course, of course and then the the male versus female superiority within our culture within our culture specifically, it seems like you don't really see that outside of you know, outside of outside of our sphere.
Speaker 2:So I don't, I'm not. I'm not 100 sure, or if that's something that is manufactured or organic, you know, cause it just seems like it's going on for so long. It's like all right, y'all, we still not tired of you know who should pay on the first day to who should? You know what I'm saying? And it's still going on. So a lot of times I'm like man, you could trust these algorithms and these apps.
Speaker 1:They could be putting whatever on your feed they want to put on there. We think about goal setting. Ultimately, if we're thinking about having, uh, very successful communities financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually community, it's gonna take men and women working together like there's no way around that. So if we can put these goals together and have a better understanding on how to reach them, then the blueprint is going to be you know what? Hey, we have to work together, meaning not just a husband and wife, but just men and women working together, even from a platonic, a professional standpoint standpoint, like we. We have to start looking at working together and finding ways, because we're also in an era of what I think is there's still segregation, not color, but within our own community there's segregation. Right, I'm not, you know, uh, downing anybody in their groups and things like that. I get it, but folks are so quick to put a group together, and then there's also an audience that wants to belong somewhere. But the thing is, what type of group are you putting together? Are you putting, you know, just all men? Are you just putting all women? Are you just putting all light skinned folk, all dark skinned people? You know what I'm saying? Like, what, what? What is the purpose, what is the mission of your group? Because ultimately, we should be making stronger communities that will build stronger empires.
Speaker 1:I think we should have a collaboration of empires. A collaboration of empires. Let's get out of just the community phase and let's talk about putting empires together in a whole conglomerate to where we can make some serious movement, because we have all the aspects covered financial, spiritual, emotional, everything you know, physical, all these things because we need all of those things that actually have some stability. It's where I'm at right. So I think the biggest challenges, jay, is when we start talking about with the leadership.
Speaker 1:I still think we need to work on finances. At the end of the day, we have to work on finances, financial literacy. We hear about the black dollar and how it only stays in our community for literally seconds, couple seconds, you know. So we have to. We have to work on that. That's one of the biggest things. And, of course, to do that, you know, we have to have education. We have to be on one accord spiritually, be emotionally stable, so that we can have the respect for one another and that we can get out of the jealousy and envy of other people's statuses. Because, at the end of the day, we're still all building.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think I think I got one more. Let me let me see this is a good one too. Let me ask you this, and I'm definitely going to chime in as well, but this is one of the challenges to leadership in the household external factors like lack of role models or we already, of course, have talked about finances, but it could be other type of factors and influences but how does that affect a man's ability to lead effectively?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a, it's a huge factor. It's a huge factor. No-transcript.
Speaker 1:I ain't saying that you know that they came to the house or whatnot like that, but it moved in. But I'm just saying that, um, I just remember, uh, in my neighborhood growing up, uh, you know, in the seventies and eighties and nineties, that almost every household on the block had a, a man and a woman figure there right and. And so the respect you saw the respect on how the, the men, treated their wives. You saw the respect on how the wives, uh, revered their husbands. And it was an example, because what you saw in your house, you know, may have been very traditional and whatnot, but there was a commonality in each household to where you saw that they worked together.
Speaker 1:You know, they figured it out. Whether it was the finances on how to raise the kids, whether it was resources, they figured it out. Whether it was the finances on how to raise the kids, whether it was resources, they figured it out. And then, more important than that, in my opinion, there was a responsibility and accountability of the neighborhood. Yeah, so if you saw little Tony in the backyard and he had some matches trying to burn, the neighbor may be like, hey, get your butt over there into your house, man, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:I've heard of that.
Speaker 1:And Tommy would scurry, scurry right along, man, or just doing some stuff they don't have no business doing, sneaking around or whatever the case is On the block. The kids felt like there were some eyes on them. There was consequences for for not you know doing what they know better, and there was some repercussions even if they didn't think any, even if they thought they got away with it. Like they may have thought they got away with it but a couple of days later you know your mom would be OK. You know what Somebody they wouldn't wouldn't even tell you who it was.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't know what neighbor got you. That's what made it crazy.
Speaker 2:You didn't hear it, she heard it. It was like yo, yeah.
Speaker 1:so I heard that you was over there in the creek, you know, putting tab eating, tab poles and whatnot, or throwing tab poles at people, whatever the case is, and it would just make you like, okay, I can't get away with nothing, so I'm trying nothing, man.
Speaker 2:So those, those was a good old days, jay man. Nowadays, man, people, you, you barely know your neighbor, unless it's not like that. It's definitely not like that. Today people are much more um to themselves, minding their own business. You almost don't want to like try to chastise anybody else kids because they might go off on you, like why are you talking to my kid like that? You know what I mean, right, that sense of community, community and that sense of that camaraderie, just, but in in the, in the communities is it's not there anymore.
Speaker 2:But I think we could get back to it. I just think the conversation has to be there, like you don't really see people talking about, you know, not necessarily parenting somebody, kids, but but just being there, just being an observer, being an authority to somebody's kids. You don't got to put your hands on them, you don't got to cuss them out, but you could kind of, you know, warn them or let them know what they're doing they shouldn't be doing. You know I don't think that's a bad thing and you know I wouldn't mind if somebody told my son if he was doing something that I I wouldn't approve of. Now I guess you, that's kind of arbitrary. You kind of got to figure that out. But you, you, you know what what kids shouldn't be doing yeah it's general.
Speaker 2:You know kids, we know what kids shouldn't be doing, what place they should be in. I wouldn't mind somebody saying like hey, you know, do you think your dad would want you doing something like that? Like don't try to talk to him like he's your kid, but bring me into it, because that's probably going to give them a better idea of like yeah, let me second think that pops probably wouldn't like me doing this. So yeah, I definitely agree with you on there, but I think there's a lot of factors that go into it. When you talk about just the leadership in the household you know we already spoke about the finances want to say you did say the role models was very important. So without that it's kind of hard, which, if you know anybody listening to this, any young man listening, you definitely want to.
Speaker 2:If you don't have any, you should seek some out or try to find you know somebody that could, that could mentor you because, like you said, the best way to learn is from another man. It's no way you could get that that type of exposure or that knowledge other than from a male leader. So it's definitely important to look for it if you feeling like you don't, if you lacking some or you don't. You might be, you know, kind of confused on how it is, because it's gonna come a point where you know you you're gonna be put in that leadership position whether you want to or not. And then you're gonna be like you know you're going to be put in that leadership position whether you want to or not, and then you're going to be like, you know, kind of just not knowing what to do, just figuring out as you go along the way. But you'll be more equipped and better, you know you won't fall as many times if you kind of already have a little bit of that training early on.
Speaker 1:That's a really good point. I think that if we could do a little bit less of, uh, of social media and get back into the real life scenario. Real life, yeah. Get back into the, to the real world scenarios. You know, you can actually learn from others through different things.
Speaker 1:Man, just something you may be interested in, whether it's, you know, arts, whether it's sports, whether it's, uh, something scholastic, we got to get back into, you know, the, that type of space where we're in each other's space, where we can really be accountable for each other, because you can hide behind the internet, you can hide behind your phone, you can hide behind all type of of electric, electronic devices. But when you have that, that mentorship, that camaraderie, when you have that, uh, accountability partnership, then it's, it's a whole new ball game, and that's what we have to get back into. Even with, even with where we're at now in a digital world. We still have to get back into that, and that's what's really going to make the difference for us to have some change and for us to have some serious, some serious progress as men and young men.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, yes sir, that's it yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man. So look, I think that this is one of those opportunities where you know there's no wrong answer and we understand that everybody's situation is different, but leadership in the household is going to start from within. It's OK to know people and to follow people, whether it's on social media or you're just watching them. There's a lot of good role models online, but we have to get back to actually, you know, finding that accountability partner, and then it makes it. It makes it a lot easier to learn with someone, instead of feeling like you're on an Island and you just need help and you don't know which direction to go.
Speaker 1:That's the first thing we really need to do is start looking at find an accountability partner and definitely a platform, whether you start out online or virtually. But we really want to get back into the. I am right here with you, so you know that I have your back era and I think that's what's missing from, from what we had back in my day as a generational Xer, and even my even my poppy granddad, who is a baby boomer. So that's, I think that's where we're at right now, jay man, and we have to just keep on encouraging folks to search. It's okay to search and it may take some time. You have to be patient, but it beats doing it alone and just trying to figure it out and not knowing where to start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with you, Pops, and that's one of the things that this podcast is about. This is why we had these conversations and why we discuss it just to bring it to the forefront, bring the awareness up and just for anybody out there listening that you know might be dealing with it, but not able to express it or not able to come up with a way to you know, even put a name to it. You know this is it right here?
Speaker 1:So yeah, All right, guys. We appreciate you hanging out with us. Pops and Son Conversations, your favorite singer. Fox. Rob Malloy, signing off.
Speaker 2:Peace.
Speaker 1:We out.
