Pops and Son Conversations
Join US Air Force Veteran, Presidential Achievement Award Recipient, author, philanthropist, and social media influencer, Rob Malloy, and his son, author and model, Javan Anderson, as they navigate the generation gap with humor and heart.
On this podcast, Rob and Javan tackle a wide range of topics – from life lessons and fatherhood to current events and pop culture – offering a unique blend of old-school wisdom and new-school perspectives. Expect lively debates, unexpected insights, and plenty of laughs along the way.
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Pops and Son Conversations
Episode 7: Navigating Co-Parenting Complexities: A Raw Look at Boundaries and Blended Families
What happens when a single father faces the unspoken expectation to continue supporting his ex, even after the relationship ends? Discover the complexities of co-parenting that aren't often discussed, as we tackle the emotional intricacies and double standards that single fathers face. Our conversation is raw and real, delving into the importance of setting boundaries and establishing mutual respect to keep the co-parenting journey healthy and focused on the well-being of the child.
Navigating the waters of co-parenting becomes even more challenging when one parent welcomes a new child with a different partner. Explore with us the emotional and logistical challenges that arise, from hospital visits to potential jealousy and competition. We share personal experiences that reflect the layered dynamics of dating as a single parent and emphasize the significance of balancing new family responsibilities with the lingering expectations of an ex-partner.
Our discussion wouldn't be complete without addressing the complexities of blended family relationships. What happens when a baby daddy's new partner wants to be involved? We take a close look at societal perceptions of terms like "baby mama" and "baby daddy" and how these labels shape expectations and behaviors. With a strong emphasis on ensuring that the child's needs remain a priority, join us as we unpack these layered dynamics and invite you to continue exploring the ever-evolving world of co-parenting with us in future episodes.
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okay, welcome back pops and son conversations podcast. Once again, it is your favorite silver fox, rob malloy, and my trusty sidekick, your favorite poet, and you know it jay van here I implemented it right away, didn't right?
Speaker 2:yeah, right off the bat got to. Just see how you know it. Roll off the tongue too good man.
Speaker 1:I like it, man, I like it, uh, now. So we have a part two. For those of you that are like, okay, I hope I got the episode where it's the part two of them talking about dating as a single father and everything that comes with yes, yes, this is that episode, so make sure that you're downloading it, make sure that you're sharing it, uh, because we're about to take off. That's right, jay, go ahead and pop things off, man, and uh, let's get into it, since, uh, it's a part two, so we're gonna go right at it all right, let's go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 2:Uh, part two today we're talking about something that every single father probably will face at some point. Dare I say baby mama drama, no, but but not just any drama, right? So the last episode, we left off and you gave me that key word that I just could not figure out what it was, and it was the entitlement as of it, right? So, uh, yeah, that comes with it. Why do some baby mamas act like they still got control over their ex? Why is a single father still expected to step up for her, like they still together?
Speaker 2:You know, this is listen, this is something that's unique to single fathers, right? Because the other way around, you're not expecting, you know, the baby mama to just do things that she used to do, right? She's not. You don't expect her to be washing your clothes and coming over washing dishes and cleaning the house, like that's over with y'all, not together. No more, y'all broke up, it's done. But there's a double standard where you know you still gotta, or you, you may be called upon as the security at some point, you know. So, yeah, that's what we're talking about today, y'all. So, yeah, it's one of them ones.
Speaker 1:It's one of them ones. You said a mouthful son, and I got to be honest. I've been through all of that. I've been through the phone call. Hey, you know, this guy is saying this or acting a certain way. Can you handle it? I've been. Hey, I, I need this. Can you take care of it? Um, the uh baby, the baby's sick. Can you come on, you know?
Speaker 1:Uh, just so many scenarios to where you know boundaries have to be set. And and I'll tell you what, man, a lot of times these ladies don't want to set boundaries until they got a dude in their life. Oh, until they have a dude in their life, because, trust me, they don't care nothing about who you date. I'm going to go here, because I'm here, about who you are dating, what she has going on, who she is to you, the status, how it benefits you. They do not give a damn. Okay, I'm going to just be real with it. They don't care about that and you know they will inquire. Of course, you know who's around my son, who's around my daughter. Uh, you know, make sure that they ain't doing nothing to them and make sure that they ain't saying nothing. They ain't chastising them, they ain't putting their hands on. They ain't talking to them. So you would think that she lived with you again. You would think that y'all are still cohabitating together. The way that she is trying to regulate us Right, that's right.
Speaker 2:Mount off, Right, yo yeah. So it's like even in some cases, you know they may not necessarily want you back, but they don't want anybody else benefiting from you.
Speaker 1:Whoa.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what it seems, that's what it sounds like. It's like, yeah, we not together, but you ain't about to be giving no other girl all this and having her Like that's crazy man and it don't even got nothing to do with the kid. That's what it's like. It stops being about the child, right. It's like there's a difference between co-parenting is still being like, involved in a different manner, like you, not even this is not that anymore.
Speaker 1:Like you said, the boundaries have to be set the boundaries have to be set and then the respect level has to be there, right? So if there's no respect, you can kiss the boundaries goodbye. And so it's a whole process when you're no longer with the person that you have had a child with or maybe you know, have children with, you know, and then multiply it multiple baby moms or baby pops, like. The scenarios are endless, because now sometimes there is a comparison of the children in their treatment. Jay, oh, yeah, right, so so you have to understand, let me. Let me tell you what I feel is is a woman's nightmare. Can I go there?
Speaker 2:Let's do it.
Speaker 1:I already know that the listeners are locked in right now with this one, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good one, it's a good one.
Speaker 1:I think the biggest challenge for women is when you have a child with a young guy, with a young man, and you guys are no longer together. So let's just say that you guys decide to bust things up in a child five years old, five, six years old. You know you start in kindergarten because you know that's a whole um milestone that you want, regardless of what you guys got going on, you want to both be there at the first day of kindergarten or the first day of first grade. Right. Here's where the biggest challenge happens. What if you guys again are no longer together and haven't been together for years, and now somebody's pregnant?
Speaker 2:Oh, I did not know you was going that way.
Speaker 1:Somebody is pregnant Now. It could be her or it could be who he's involved with. But I think the biggest challenge now is dealing with the new child and the new child's mother. You cannot tell me that they will not be jockeying for position. I'm the first baby mama. Well, I'm the new baby mama. You were now, I mean I'm now, you were then and just the brother will be going through some things. Let's just put that out there. The brother is going to be going through some things. Man, it's going to be a tug of war. It's going to be a mental, psychological, emotional struggle for this guy. Because women are very competitive, jay, yeah, they are extremely competitive in any and everything.
Speaker 1:So now we're talking about the children. We're talking about the children, the, the child care, the child's emotional state, the involvement, uh, the. The child has a, a play. You know I'm saying has a school play, but then you have to tell her that you're at the hospital and and your child's mother is having contractions, so you don't know if you're going to be able to make the play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know when that, when it goes down like that, like you said, it's not going to be pretty, it's going to be some. I just, I think I mean inevitably, you know it's going to make co-parenting harder, you know, probably going to make, maybe make visitation a little bit harder, you know it's gonna make co-parenting harder, you know, probably gonna make, maybe make visitation a little bit harder, you know, because it's like it's easy to have an excuse of you know. Well, you know, I know you're dealing with your, with your newborn, so I didn't, I didn't want to put no, no extra on you. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying even oh man, it's like yo, responsibility is responsibility, but that just gives you know kind of that little bit of toxic reason to act out, right Because of the jealousy and you know, just because of you know, like you said, the competition, and it's like brother is caught in the middle trying to keep the peace Caught in the matrix Right.
Speaker 2:Caught in the matrix, right Caught in the matrix man, like that's. I guess you know it's one of those tests, though, like that's really going to test just how much, you know how much power she still got over you, you know, oh man, it's boundaries, it's boundaries, it's something crazy to navigate. I couldn't imagine you know, it's, it's boundaries, it's boundaries, it's. It's something crazy to navigate. I can't imagine, you know, being in that situation. Yeah, I've been in the situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, straight up I've been in a situation, um, not when I was younger, but when I was older, of course, I was definitely in the situation to where, um, you know the younger kids in that scenario because, uh, they're just a couple of years apart, just like you, and, uh, your big sister a couple years apart. So, um, it was really tough, um, and let me tell you why it's tough. If I didn't care, if I was selfish, if spending time, quality time, if being there for emergencies or just emotional support, if those things were minute to me and not a big deal, then it would have been easy. But as a father, a caring father for his children, he wants to be there every single moment, for every single child, you know. And so that is something that I don't think that the mothers really look at, because it's such an emotional turmoil, it's such an emotional challenge to to not have tunnel vision, like I need you right now. I mean, they're already like that with no child involved.
Speaker 1:So so add, you know the, the beauty of, of a creation that you made together, because ultimately, nobody wants to raise a child alone or feel like they are raising a child alone, so there's got to be moments where you prefer to have the child's other parent, like, yeah, it's cool you got Ray Ray over there now, but that ain't Ray Ray's I mean, that ain't you know that's little Tommy. Ray Ray may have his own little Ray Ray. And so now, when you even think about that dynamic of dating somebody who also has a child meaning she's dating somebody who also has a child she may be looking at his activity or inactivity with his child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look at that dynamic yeah look at that dynamic yeah, it's, it's layers, man, it's layers, it's a bunch of layers, so many layers to it.
Speaker 2:One of the things, though, that, um, I thought about while you were, while you were explaining that, though, as far as all right, so with the scenario of, like you said, you went through it, um, yeah, um, and so you got the, you got the new kid and you're dealing with, uh, the ex. So how much does um and I, and I can't imagine it. It's, it's a lot. But so you know the new, your new, uh, your new girl that's pregnant. She's having to to witness whatever is going on with the ex, right? So, of course, you have to set some type of boundary between it, or else it's going to affect, maybe, her thought process. As far as how you can lead the family, it's crazy because you're trying to still be involved, you, you got a new family that you want to lead, but man, this yo, I ain't gonna lie, my brain is hurting just just thinking about that.
Speaker 1:That position like it's a lot you know it's a lot man and it's something that that I feel like this is something. It's not a woman problem, meaning this is not what women have to really worry about. Now, of course, you know there'll be a debate, because they have to call it turmoil, the emotional exhaustion. It can break down a brother and I know that there's a lot of brothers that have gone through or maybe currently going through it, and I know what that challenge looks like because you want to be everywhere all the time for the children, right. But then, in addition to that, you want to be there emotionally for the child's mom because you care about it. You guys. You guys have a child together.
Speaker 1:You're not going to just not care about her well-being anymore, right, unless you ain't like her in the beginning, like, of course, that would be the the only um exception to the rule. If you ain't really like in the beginning, you ain't wanted to have your child anyway. You know, you kind of just you'll let one go, right, you'll let one go, uh, you'll meaning you'll, you'll disappoint one and then you will be there for the other. Like that's a whole different scenario. But what I'm talking about is is a man that accepts fatherhood and is a responsible father emotionally, physically, financially, spiritually, those types of things and he wants to be there for both of his children, and so it becomes a loyalty contest to women that that's their only mindset is he's loyal to her more than he's loyal to me. Isn't that something like number one?
Speaker 2:you guys aren't together anymore, though well, well, that well, that bears question too. Okay, so that would be a scenario in which she hasn't moved on yet, right? So that's where you know the baby's father has moved on. He got a situation and a new baby on the way, but she is just, you know, maybe she's been dating but things haven't worked out yet. So she doesn't necessarily, because if there's another man you know on the other end that's got her occupied, then probably that doesn't necessarily, because if there's another man you know on the other end that's got her occupied, then probably that doesn't happen as much.
Speaker 1:You know the, the vow for loyalty possibly, yeah, possibly, yeah, possibly, because you have. You have to also take into account why is she now entertaining this guy? Because, realistically, moving on out of the relationship is one thing, so you have to be in the right space and you have to really understand what comes with that. Now I'm not saying, um, that one is better than the other. If, if the father moved on, then you know it's warranted. And and if she's moved on, her feelings you know are justified or aren't justified.
Speaker 1:But that alone is another scenario because, again, like I mentioned before, nobody is thinking that you're no longer going to be together to raise that child, right? So meeting somebody is going to be secondary. Meeting them is going to be secondary. Meeting them is going to be secondary. I think that it's more on a personal level when they move on, because it's about their current needs. I want companionship, I want to move on with somebody emotionally. And then you also have to think about okay, I'm going to have to have a future with somebody else. So, thinking about that you should be considering okay, if I want more children, if I meet somebody that wants more children, we're going to have to explore that possibility and what that's going to look like, and if you and your baby daddy, you and your baby mama aren't all already in a good space and ready to co-parent, then it's going to be a challenge, right? Because now you also have to explain to your new person and some people that you meet. You're going to have to prove that you guys ain't screwing no more.
Speaker 2:You got to get past that.
Speaker 1:And so what are the things that you're willing to do, or feel like you have to do or not willing to do, to validate that new relationship and be able to truly foster a new healthy relationship? Man, there's just so many layers that it can get. It can get wild man let's just be real.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think, um, you know, it goes without saying that, uh, dating as a single father. So before you said you said it was exciting, that was the one word that you, yeah that you said this don't sound exciting to me.
Speaker 1:Well, jay, it's exciting now well, yeah, right now.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, right, right yeah for me, hey look, hey, all your siblings, everybody's adults now. And so I've had to date a certain way, I would say, for the last five, six years, as becoming just becoming an empty nester as well. I had to date different right, because an empty nester as well, I had to date different right Because you know everybody, literally as of to date, everybody has, at least for a certain amount of time, have lived in the household. Everybody has. So it's a different dynamic of dating. You know, as a single father with of dating you know as a single father with. You know younger kids or teenagers or whatever the case is.
Speaker 1:But once I had an opportunity to really understand that the most important priority is going to be having a healthy family dynamic, because you're going to have voids in life, man, and you're going to want to be able to talk to your kids. You're going to want to be able to experience milestones with your kids. You're going to want to be able to have and create great memories with not only your kids but everybody. Like even that, even that scenario, getting everybody together, because you know you got younger ones and older ones and everybody's in different places. So you know, for me that has been priority in the last few years and so it superseded relationships, personal relationships.
Speaker 1:Now, I'm not saying that I wouldn't date anybody, let's not be foolish, right, let's not be crazy about it. But having to let them know, hey, this is where I am right and so being able to be transparent, these are my priorities right now. Like you know, if a woman is like, hey, um, I don't want kids, now I know you don't want kids because I've been telling women I don't want kids for a long time, like the youngest we talk about, 21 and up at this point, right, I don't want now, and I got grandkids, so I'm good with even having the kids syndrome in the household. But you know I've met women that have said, ok, rob, you don't want kids. You know that's cool, I understand that. And then you know we're dating, we're hanging out, we're getting to know each other, maybe six, seven months later, yeah, so you really don't want kids.
Speaker 2:Oh man, is Dr Miles going to change Ma'am?
Speaker 1:come on Like and look. Some of them have heard me on podcasts and TV shows saying that so what do you think? I have heard me on uh podcasts and tv shows saying that so which which thing I'm lying to them and telling the truth to you, or telling the truth to you and lying to them? It's, it's the same baby it's called all the way around. Man, would you call?
Speaker 2:it delusion, like they say, the lulu that's real though you know.
Speaker 1:So I I say it's exciting now because, man, I've been through so much, I've watched so much, directly and indirectly, you know, indirectly. You know I've watched, you know women that I've dated go through so much drama with their child's father Not the child father not wanting anything to do with their child's father, not the child father not wanting anything to do with the child. Then the child gets a little older and and cuter and it seems like you know, they got some great things going on in their life and then he want to pop back up.
Speaker 1:And it's like, and it's like how are you going to deny the father though? I mean, I know how you feel personally, but practically and logically and lawfully, you can't keep that man away. Yeah, you can't keep him away. So just watching those different scenarios, man, it's been a whirlwind. But it also has kept me very grounded on the importance of influences around your children. That's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, influence around the kids, man, you got to protect them. One thing though, before we drift off I don't know if we're going to be in this soon, I don't know, but we did talk about on the last part we kind of ended, and I was talking about the scenario of you know how you may still need to be security, you know so so, let's so I want to.
Speaker 2:I want to get your take on that. So you already said you got the, you've been there before you got the call, you know so and so is. Is doing this disrespecting me? Like what do you think is the best way to navigate that? Because if you don't do something about it, I mean it's like it's hard right, because on one hand, you don't want, you know nobody disrespecting the mother of your kid or causing her any type of harm, right, but do you open that floodgates and let and always become the emergency contact whenever something goes wrong?
Speaker 1:Man. You know, man, that's really tough because each situation is unique and sometimes, you know, you have those relationships where, even before the child was born, they were good friends. Before the child was born, they were husband and wife, you know. And so when you start looking at those scenarios of that relationship and it's almost like, ok, you know, you've always had my back, so just because we're not together, why wouldn't you have my back, right? And who is in place to? Who would trump me, right? No orange, no orange, uh intended, but who would actually trump me? And? And so you know, those are the scenarios that you know it has to be a mature situation, like you really have to have your communication on point and and that is something that you know, in all of your relationships and all your dynamics, man, you got to be, you got to be truthful, you know. And I think that being able to do that will help you navigate how to move forward and what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Because you know there's guys out here that don't play about their baby mamas. That's right, let's be real right. Yeah, don't play about their baby mamas and I know, hopefully y'all ain't getting too your panties too bunched up with baby mamas. You identify with that a lot better than the child's mother, right? You identify with baby mama and we identify with baby daddy. Like I'm not offended, no, no, you know what I mean. I'm not offended. As a matter of fact, it's been, I don't want to say sexualized, but it has. You know, that's my baby daddy. Like my baby daddy, don't play about. So it ain't like. You know, it is always used in a derogatory fashion, so you know. Just a little disclaimer. So y'all relax, because I know we got a lot of women listeners on here. We love y'all. Okay, yeah, still going to talk about your baby daddy, though, of course.
Speaker 2:You do it.
Speaker 1:Right, that's so crazy, man. So it's so many different scenarios and dynamics. I just think that the best way to navigate it is to communicate, because, when you think about it, so let's just give a scenario, and you don't want to use me because all the moms are adults I want them thinking that I would do this for them. Right, moms are adults. I don't want them thinking that I would do this for them, right. But let's, let's just say that you know a scenario, you know for you where, hey, you know, baby boy, he has this going on. Um, well, she got something going on. You know, can you help? Let's just say that it's something as simple. As you know, there's something going on around the house. Can you help? Because, of course, she would trust you more than anybody, right?
Speaker 1:And then you know somebody that you date and you know they may not understand, like well, why you got to go over there, and it's eight, it's 8 PM, why you can't go tomorrow, why you can't wait for the weekend, right? So the the communication would have to be, would have to be so solid, and it would also be a test for the one that you're dating now, because she would have to think, well, how would I feel if my child's father, my baby daddy, wouldn't come to help me out? And I'm dating a man that is responsible and accountable of making sure that his child and his child's mother, because of the attachment, um, making sure that they're good. Now she got to look at, well, damn, you know, my baby daddy maybe not be all that after all, yeah, yeah, look in the mirror man.
Speaker 1:And I and I know, I, man, and I know that I've experienced that a lot and, jay, it has been a big challenge when you're dating someone or you're involved with someone and the father is not involved, and here I am telling you well, hey, you know what, I'm taking the kids out this weekend, we're traveling, we're going to go over here and there. You know what? I'm taking the kids out this weekend, we're traveling, we're going to go over here and there, and it's something that me and the kids do. And now she's thinking well, you know what, my child's father, my baby daddy, don't do nothing like that. I could barely get him on the phone and return the text, man. So those are the intricacies and challenges, man, that comes with that type of dynamic and scenario.
Speaker 2:It's a lot Like hey, I think we said we may have to do a part three, man, because it's just so much, because just what you said about just the whole baby daddy trope, like there is a thing about, you know, women want a baby daddy that's gonna uh stand on business like no matter what the consequence is. Like you know, it's almost like I'm about to. I call my baby daddy, like he ain't finna handle this. So, um, I just always thought that that was interesting. Um, and this situation is like I see online sometimes that I agree with and then sometimes I don't agree with, and it just goes back to the boundaries thing. Like you know, as a baby daddy, you know I don't think I should be doing anything that's going to jeopardize my freedom for my baby mama.
Speaker 2:I think there's other ways that we can handle situations, but a lot of women just want you to crash out. I'm not about to crash out. I'm sorry that's not in my DNA. I'm too smart for that. I can't do it. So if that's the type of baby daddy you want, you got the wrong one. It's not me, but yeah, good good conversation.
Speaker 2:Good, um, definitely, definitely, uh, one that we could just talk about all day, man, because there's so many scenarios and layers like I didn't even realize a lot of the layers until you. It kind of explained them and how you went through them and how you observed them. It's a lot, man, and women wouldn't even know Women wouldn't even think.
Speaker 2:You know I don't know if that's in their brain. You know about what the single father kind of has to deal with when it comes to, you know, just sometimes being a peacemaker, sometimes being a security, sometimes being a person of reason being the reason, the authority, the like it's, that can. That can weigh in a lot, man it does, it really does.
Speaker 1:And uh, I will say this, and it's probably a unpopular opinion, but the, the stepfathers, the, the fathers that step in, I think a lot of times they get the short end of the stick, you know, because it makes you look back in the beginning to see well, what did you really want from me? Did you want a relationship from me? Did you want a relationship and a father figure in your children's life? Did you want both of those? And, in addition to that, wanted me to expose you to some new things, wanted me to show you some new things as far as, maybe, lifestyle, maybe just new experiences that you've never had before, ever had before. And there's a lot. I mean shout out to all the step pops that came in that dealt with the baggage, if you will, that came with that, and there's multiple baggage claims, if you will.
Speaker 1:So you have the psychological aspect of what has gone on with this woman and her trauma just in life, and then you have the trauma of the relationship, and then you may also have the dysfunctional co-parenting mechanism. That's three different situations, jay, that this man is stepping into. Yeah, and the expectations is for him to make it work, figure it out, be there for me, be there for my children, help me go through these traumas and help me go through the healing process. Then, in addition to that, be the best version of yourself. Damn it and still be the best version of yourself. So that means what do you do with you? What's your personal issues, jay?
Speaker 2:man, what, what, what do you do? Who do you talk to? How do you, how do you process it? It's hey man, that's. That's not only just being a single father man, that's the plight of of the being a man, just plight of a man, yo god you know what we?
Speaker 1:we did get um an email. Uh, we did get a message uh last week online. Uh, it was a scenario. Now I will share the scenario. We gotta go, but I will share the scenario and we'll do a part three of this, because this is a really, really interesting situation that we want you guys to check out. Jay, I just sent you the email. Did you see the email on your phone? Can you read that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, so we got the email from one of the listeners. They had a question, right, yeah, so I'll read it out here right now. It says why does the new woman in his life have a say in how my baby daddy interacts with his child? Okay, so it says uh, my son was shot recently and my son's father wants his new girlfriend to be added to the visitors list at the hospital, to come whenever she wants, and she and I don't get along. Why does his dad do this?
Speaker 1:good lord, that's one, uh, yeah, yeah, we'll definitely. We'll deal with that, um, next week. Uh, that's a pretty interesting scenario and but not too far fetched from from our conversation. So we, you know it's not too far fetched. So, listen, if you guys have questions, if you guys have comments, if you guys just want to show love, you know, go to the website, we'll get the email from there. You'll be able to do that. Make sure you subscribe, obviously, to our podcast and then watch out for the uh, for the tour dates and what cities we'll be in, uh, and actually having pops and sun conversations. So, um, that'll be coming down the pipeline. Um, again, thank you, listeners, for your questions, uh, for your comments, for your love on social media, and this is a good one, this is a good one, this is a good one. We're talking about the baby daddy's new lady wanting to be involved. Like, come on, we already know how that goes, so we'll rock out with that scenario next week. Other than that, man, this was another good one. Man, these things are getting intense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're getting intense. They're getting intense. If you're a first-time listener, go ahead and run back to that first episode and listen all the way up, because you see, sometimes we don't even have enough time to fit everything in one episode. It's a part, two, three. You want to go ahead and go back and catch everything? Yeah, pops, we did it again.
Speaker 1:We did it again.
Speaker 2:This has been another episode of Pops and Son Conversations. We are out.
Speaker 1:Be safe out there.
