Pops and Son Conversations
Join US Air Force Veteran, Presidential Achievement Award Recipient, author, philanthropist, and social media influencer, Rob Malloy, and his son, author and model, Javan Anderson, as they navigate the generation gap with humor and heart.
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Pops and Son Conversations
Your Mother's Love Is Your Blueprint for Life
Rob and Javan Malloy dedicate this special episode to celebrating mothers and exploring the intricate dynamics of mother-son relationships, examining how these foundational bonds shape men's identities and emotional development.
• Discussion about reclaiming the term "mama's boy" from its negative connotation
• Exploring how mothers teach sons to receive and give love
• Examining how maternal relationships set the blueprint for future relationships
• Analysis of how mothers instill emotional intelligence in their sons
• The way mothers foster vulnerability and create safe spaces for expression
• Reflections on how mothers influence the traits we look for in romantic partners
• Meaningful gift ideas for Mother's Day beyond material possessions
• Stories about mothers showing pride in their sons
• The importance of regular affirmation and gratitude toward mothers
• Recognition of all mother figures, including stepmothers and other female relatives
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welcome to another episode of pops and son conversations. And yes, it is your favorite silver fox, rob malloy and it is son here, jayven all right, and we have a special episode for you ladies, for you mothers out there.
Speaker 1:So we definitely want to wish you happy Mother's Day. Hopefully you are enjoying your family and you're not working or doing something away from your family, but we want to wish you a very happy Mother's Day. From Pops and Son Conversations, yes, yeah. So how should we do this? Today, jay, we're going to go ahead and dedicate the entire episode to moms.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, full episode dedicated to the mothers. You know we got to show our appreciation, but you know I think we should also talk about some topics. You know we got to show our appreciation, but you know I think we should also talk about some topics. You know, just kind of get into. You know, the different intricacies of the relationship between the mother and the son. You know we talk about fathers and things like that all the time, but we'll shed some light on the importance of, you know, the mother to her son.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, man. Fair enough, I think. That matter of fact. I just looked up intricacies, man, and that's a great way. And you know, basically that just means that we're giving different perspectives as far as the dynamic of the relationships, and we're talking about the relationships between the mommies and their boys. You know, it doesn't matter how old you get, you know your mommy's going to call you her baby. Is that true Always?
Speaker 2:always, always. That's my baby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, even at close to 50, man moms are still like, hey, that's my baby. Yeah, yeah, even at close to 50 man moms is still like, hey, that's my baby boy. So, uh, but you know, I'm not jody though I don't have that bike, you know. So I ain't that baby boy, I'm. You know, I'm her youngest son. Let's be very clear on that.
Speaker 2:Uh, man, so can we talk about like Mama's Boy at some point of this episode, or just yeah, I mean sure we could do that with just like the term, the term Mama's Boy, what it means, and stuff Just like the term translation perspective of it.
Speaker 1:That's fun. Let's just do that right now, man. Let's explore that right now, and I think it may segue into, like you mentioned, the relationship of mother and son.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So for me, when I hear that, I don't really know how to feel about it. I mean, I guess I don't know if I consider myself a mama's boy. Okay, I mean I love my mom. But when I think about what, I hear people like the characteristics that they say, you know, you kind of like clinging to your mom. You know what I really think about. What was that movie? I think it was Act Like a Lady, think Like a Lady. I think it was at like the lady. Uh, um, that's that's what I, yeah, that's what I always think about. Why he was, cause it's kind of like his mom came before. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:The relationship.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, terrence J, I think about his role and why I'm like that's not me. Nah, I'm not like I love mom, but like you know she mom has her place in the relationship and things like that. But what about you? Like, how do you? What do you think about when you hear mama's boy?
Speaker 1:So, being close to 50 and I have to say that because you know, my thought process and perspective has changed Now I know a little bit younger, you know, mama's boy was was almost like cursing, like cursing at somebody and saying that you know, a young man allows his mother to make decisions for him to you know that she's super controlling. He has no, you know, he, he has to stand up to his mom on behalf of his woman and stuff like that. But then I was thinking there's no negative connotation for daddy's girl, like zero, you know what I'm saying, right? So I'm like, so it is what we allow it to be. When I hear mama's boy, or you know, that's, that's my son, that's my baby, it's, it's endearing, maybe protective, but not overprotective. I think that would be subjective. And so, man, you know, as I got older, I think that it should be appreciated that that a son appreciates his mom, because think about it. So I want to put this in perspective real quick.
Speaker 1:Now, when a woman is dating a quote-unquote mama's boy, you know there's a lot of negative connotation. It's almost like he can't make decisions for himself. He got to stand up. His mom is basically running his life. But that same woman and her relationship with her son. No, you know what I'm saying she doesn't feel like she's overbearing. She's not going to feel like she's super overprotective. She's just a caring mother that wants the best for her son Exactly so I feel like we should. And she's just a caring mother that wants the best for her son Exactly so. So, so I feel like we should claim or reclaim that statement and make it into a positive, because it's very, very clear how women feel when a man doesn't have a relationship with his mom. Ain't that wild? Yeah, it's in question of well, what's wrong with you and why don't you have a relationship with your mom? Because, again, for them, the way that a man treats his mom is the way that he's gonna treat his, his woman.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like you can't win. You know you can't win for losing. It's like on either side of the scale you're going to be judged.
Speaker 1:On either side. This is a catch-22. You can't love your mama. That's what it boils down to. You have to have a very you know strict relationship with your mother and you know, once you get of a certain age.
Speaker 2:You need to put her on the shelf.
Speaker 1:That's cold man, Isn't that something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cold.
Speaker 1:That's something, man. So again, I think that you know Mama's Boy is, you know it's banter, you know it's a uh name to use and everything. But at the end of the day, a young man in his relationship with his mother is extremely important. Doesn't matter what labels that you use mama's boy and and mama say that that's my baby and stuff like that man, be glad for that relationship. Oh man, tell me, Tell me about it Exactly. Be happy that you know your mother is here, that she's alive, that you guys can think. You know back to great memories and milestones, create new memories while the opportunity is there. So I'm going to say we're going to embrace the mama's boy jargon.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I like that. Let's flip it it. There's nothing wrong with being a mama's boy, nothing, we gotta. We gotta take that negative connotation away. You know one of the things, um, you know mama's boy, yeah, it's like the more I think about it and just kind of get into like the importance, the importance of that relationship. Yeah, you know your mom, your mother, is really like your first, your first experience with that, with that energy, with that female energy, that love, that softness, that structure Right, and I think that the way that relationship is so important because it's kind of like the blueprint that you carry on with how you relate with other women, as you.
Speaker 2:You know, as you mature and become an adult, you know mothers, they teach their sons how to receive love and how to give it back to like that's that's where you get. So you're kind of speaking on earlier about you know, there's some some question about that relationship with your mom, because you know, maybe some women will think that if there is no relationship or if there's not a good relationship, then they don't know how to love properly. I think that's kind of what that right where that stems from. So I think it's so, I think it's super important and we got to be glad, happy and grateful to have those mothers in our lives.
Speaker 2:That took that time to really show. And it's so beautiful because it's just natural. When I think about my mom, you know, I don't know, I don't know about you, pop, but okay, that's, that's one of those things. It's like you, you think about moms and you just get, you know, you just get fuzzy inside like you, you just feel it because you, you go back to them, them golden days, the moments of you know what I'm saying. Maybe you you fell outside or you scraped yourself and you, you know, she just made everything better. Man, this is nothing like. It's nothing like moms.
Speaker 1:That's so true. And even the way that she, a mother, nurtures her son, the way that she praises her son, because you know, mother mothers will praise their son. If you never get praise in your life by anyone, or if you do, the first person it'll be is your mother. That's right. First one, to let everybody know how proud she is, and it's even things that you think may be minute and small, right? Oh, she's going to tell the world.
Speaker 1:I remember, uh, we was eating dinner. Um, this might have been like two years ago. We was eating dinner or, and we was in this long line and I think that it was. It might have been mother's day or father's day or something like that. And so moms is walking around showing people my instagram page, like, like in line. Yeah, and she's like this is my baby boy, he's your favorite silver Fox. So wait a minute, man, that's right, it's your day, cause I believe it was mother's day. It's your day. And she was just so proud and my brother was with us. I think he was feeling some type of way. I think he was now. Now, he didn't say it, he was just kind of laughing and saying, hey, you know your mom over there showing people your social media and he don't have social media, so that might have been why he might have been a little, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean. And so it was cool because, as she was, you know, sharing people, she was telling people take out your phone, follow him.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:She was campaigning for you. I thought that was so dope, and even some of the ladies, like the younger ladies, got out of line to come meet me. She's like, oh yeah, ok, can I meet him? Is he here? And I was like this is a lot going on. Kind of one of those days where you wish you had the sunglasses and wig on, or sunglasses and a cap incognito incognito.
Speaker 1:But you know, in reality, man, it is a great feeling when you know you can make your mom proud and you know she does, you know she does a thing and that's something that only mothers can do and they give you that very, very significant and special feeling. That man just makes you want to keep going and feeling proud yeah, yeah, I, I got a second that mothers.
Speaker 2:You know they're. They're like the first person to tell you you know that you matter before before you come to that. You know they're like the first person to tell you you know that you matter before before you come to that. You know the world and you know they're trying to convince you or you might start second guessing yourself, but mom is always going to be there to let you know, like you know you, my baby, I love you, you can do anything. All those affirmations and those things that empower you to just make you feel like you can go and take over the world, I guess it's that is invaluable. So, mothers, don't stop doing that, don't stop speaking life into those, those young boys, because they, we need it now more than ever. You just don't know how. You know how special and how uplifting that is that's a fact, that's a fact.
Speaker 1:So you know, shout out to the moms embarrassing their, their sons, out here, you know, they may see, they may say come on, mom, stop, but they loving it inside, they are loving it because oh yeah no, nobody can do that, like moms do. So, oh man. So shout out uh to all the moms. And you know, when you think about it, man, let's just, let's just kind of pivot a little bit. How does the you know relationship with your mom, or lack thereof, actually affect us as men, as males, long-term?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So you know I'll give you another, I'll give you another little counter. You know there is some that they talk about with the daddy's girls. They talk about the daddy issues, right, yeah, but you don't really hear about the mommy issues that much when it comes to the sons. But I do think there are some things you know.
Speaker 2:When you speak about the lack of that, it's just you know just kind of how we talked about the lack of that instilling that. You know that upliftment and you know just having a person in your corner that's always encouraging you and things like that. You know that could also wear on you and just kind of coming to your own and growing up if you don't have that. Yeah, you know there's, I think there's just kind of certain, certain wounds or just certain characteristics that you may carry on into different relationships. Not just you know it could be platonic and also interpersonal, but just how you carry yourself, like you may not find, you may not see, like all of your values is, I guess what I'm trying to say Like sometimes we can have that thing where we doubt ourselves and even in relationships maybe you second-guessing and not feeling worthy and just kind of things like that, like the world is coming down on you, stuff like that, but that's just kind of how I see it on some fronts. How do you feel about it Pops?
Speaker 1:Yeah, great points. You know I would be remiss if I didn't talk about how the relationship with your mother, your mother figure, A mother, will show you how to be vulnerable. You know, uh, your pops is not doing that. He going to tell you be a man, be strong, never let them see you sweat, come back even harder next time. But you know, moms is going to let you know, uh, she's going to create that safe space for you to be vulnerable, express yourself, learn how to be a better listener or active listener, and you know just some of those things, man, that'll make you a more intelligent, emotionally intelligent. Like, when I think about it, that is the best example that I can give you when we talk about emotional intelligence versus the other buzzword about relationships. A mother will let you know that it's OK to express yourself. She'll also let you know the importance of boundaries Right, Do not let people take advantage of you, take advantage of your heart. You know, don't get finessed.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you know what I mean. Like, moms is going to give you the game about women. Like your pops can give you the game about women, but that's going to be according to his experiences, right? Moms is going to give you the overall game. This is how women think, this is how women can think. These are the possibilities, these are the things to look out for.
Speaker 1:Moms is going to give you that type of game. So having that relationship with her is definitely going to catapult you when it comes to equipping you for future relationships and friendships. And then, of course, you know, to teach you about love, loving, being loved, what love may look like for you. She's going to give you that. No, pops is going to give you a little bit different game. He's going to say, hey, this is what you need to look out for, right? But when it comes to receiving love, accepting love, hands down, moms's going to take care of you in that department. So having that, that relationship with her, is going to help you a hundred fold. Not having that relationship, honestly, is going to leave you a void. It's going to leave you a void and it may be a situation where you find yourself searching for that love that you did not receive from your mom, and that's when things can come really complicated in your life as a man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, yeah, that's heavy. Now, you really brought that down, pops. It's super important and that's why we got to give. We got to give thanks, man. It's super important and that's why we got to give. We got to give thanks, man. This pot is definitely dedicated to the moms you know I think about when you was talking about how they you know, they kind of they'll show you, introduce you to the ways that you need to be accepting that love in your life. You know what I mean. Moms definitely, definitely, laid that foundation down to me. Now, I didn't always listen, but when I think back, she was 100% right. She'll tell you I don't like her and you're like what's not to like? You just got to listen, man. Yeah, she knows this. She'll be like it's something about it. I don't like it. Don't know what I'm saying, but my mama, mama knows best for sure.
Speaker 1:Mama knows best. And now that you did mention that man, the that's a big influence on how we actually choose our mate. I do want to ask you, Jay, what do you see yourself when it comes to being attracted to a woman? Because you may have some of of your mom's traits and some of your mom's you know, some of your mom's gestures, or something like that have you experienced?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a good one. One hundred percent. I can definitely say one hundred percent, like 100 percent. I find myself, when I, when I meet a woman and she's, you know, intelligent, has a really good, good sense of humor, you know what I'm saying Can, can hold a conversation that we, that we could get really engaged. And you know, my mom, my mom is like a movie buff and I remember just always asking her about just whatever and she didn't always have the answers, but she did have a lot of the answers, like you know, it was kind of like a little trivia thing for us. So, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:And you mentioned skin tone. Yeah, I do, I'm not going to lie, I didn't really think about it until now, but I'm sure that it probably is a direct influence of my mother. But you know also, just, you know a woman that's really calm, down to earth, not really temperamental like that. My mom was really chill, you know it was. She was only passionate when, when she was, you know, disciplined about something, but otherwise it was just, it was real chill. So I definitely lean towards the women that are more like that, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really cool. You know, for me my mom has set the bar extremely high. My mom has set the bar extremely high. So it would be or it is and typically is extremely difficult to do a, you know, a side by side comparison. I wouldn't want to do that, but moms have set the bar so high.
Speaker 1:When it comes to when I think of you know what a wife should be, what a wife should be doing, you know, number one she's super old fashioned and traditional, so that's that's hard to find nowadays.
Speaker 1:You know she was, she was the CEO or the COO, chief operating officer of the household, and my dad, you know, went out there and made things happen. She made sure that the household was in tip top shape, man, and and she made it look easy, you know, with four kids at the house and you know we didn't have a whole lot of resources but as, as kids man, we would have never known you know what we did not really have access to because you know moms made it happen. You know dad, dad was Navy, so you know he's gone six months at a time, eight months, four months a year, overseas, that type of thing. So mom really, really literally held things up. I don't even say held things down, held things down. She held things up and, um, she set the bar so high. You know cook meals, uh, you know combing everybody's hair and braiding, but you know all that stuff, yeah, everybody's good to go.
Speaker 1:And then, you know, coming home and just making sure now now don't get me wrong she, uh, she had a shot. Uh, I ran a really tight ship because you, you know, we had to clean up, we had to make sure that the outside was good, the inside, but, but just being, you know, super resilient, you know we never saw her break down. So you know she was, she was very intentional about how she expressed herself, she was passionate at times, but also, you know, she really kept an even keel. So we, we never knew it takes a lot to be able to do that. So, I know, I know women in 2025, they don't want to do it. I'm not saying that they can't, but they don't want to do that. Right, they want mimosas, they want a trip to Aruba, bahamas, dubai, like you know, they like F them kids, right, ain't that the motto nowadays?
Speaker 2:That's it. It's a whole meme now.
Speaker 1:It's a whole meme now. So, yeah, mom, mom, she's definitely one on one. But she also always gave some solid advice when asked. She never preached to us, you know, if we asked her a question, she would answer it and it would be in in a way that it's just some friendly perspective. It wasn't even advice because you could take it or leave it, but she would give, you know, examples of things like that. And she's like, hey, look at it this way, and I would say one of the best things that she had taught me when it came to relationships. She said Robbie, she called me Robbie, she's like Robbie.
Speaker 1:One thing I want you to know about relationships you never want to get, you never want to open up a new door, to close the door behind you. And when she said that I was like man, whatever man, do what I want to do, I can handle it. And sure enough, you know that that whole scenario came about and I did not make the best of decisions, but I can't say that I wasn't worn Right, and so it's a lifelong lesson and I always think about it now. You know it's, it's super powerful now and always think about it now. But you know, just thankful for. You know her wisdom, you know moms is 83,. You know mother's day and a couple of days 83 man holding things together right.
Speaker 2:It's beautiful. That's beautiful pops. Yeah, yeah, we love our moms, man. If y'all can't tell we love our mothers, we're not trading for the world, nah. So, speaking of that, with it being Mother's Day and we appreciating the mothers, what are some ways? Let's give them some ways that, um, that they could. You know what I'm saying for the listeners, for the sons and the fathers out there listening. I think you know. Well, I don't know about you pops, but I've never been the best at at gifts. You know what I mean. I was always like a, a gift card type of person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know. So I'm going to be a little Frank here, even though my name is Rob. You know, when it comes to these particular holidays and stuff like that, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't really push them super heavy because I know that it's all about. You know the economics here in the US.
Speaker 1:You know you got folks spending money that they don't have, racking up the credit card bills, and you know we financial literacy advocates. You know it's definitely not about you know what expensive, how expensive and that type of thing. Definitely not about you know what expensive, how expensive and that type of thing. And then competing you know you're competing with your siblings, you're competing with your dad or whatever the case is, to trying to get a better gift than them and see if you can shift mom's love, all this crazy stuff. So you know, I think that some of the most simple things will mean a lot, and I would say that you know, just spending some time.
Speaker 1:If your mom is near you, if she is proximal, if she's local, go spend some time with her, because it doesn't matter how expensive that gift is. She would trade that gift in for some time, right, every single time, and you know that's something that is invaluable. You can't really put a price tag on time. You know you could buy a million dollar house, but if you don't spend any time with your mom and then she's going to be lonely up in it Right, what good is it? So I would say time will be the first thing that I think will be important.
Speaker 1:And, to be honest, man, I think memorabilia like if you have a picture, if you could put a picture in a frame, I think that that's one of the greatest things you can do. Or if you have a family picture, or you, the kids and mom, or whatever the case is, you know, create a canvas out of it. You know that you can put, you know, at the house, get a painting of it, a painted version of a picture. I think things like that will help because it'll it'll bring, it'll bring back some of the best memories that you had, whether it's childhood or whether it's adolescence or whether it's adulthood, but it's a constant reminder that we have good memories and we have amazing times with our mom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll add to it, I think, another good thing. I remember one time my mom, and when she asked me this question, I didn't, I didn't really understand it, but she was like it was random too. One day she came to me and she was like you know, javen, was I a good mom to you?
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, man. So I think that the best, one of the best things that that I could do or that we could do is just giving our mothers that acknowledgement, just having a real conversation and just having that moment where you just look in her eyes and be like everything you did for me, I appreciate everything, I love you for everything, you know. I think our mothers need that, that reassurance, because sometimes they can be, you know, they can be critical and make on themselves, I mean, and maybe we don't see it, but, um, just kind of giving them that you know, mom, you, I know you did everything that you could. I love you for it and you know I'm, I'm the man I am today because of the hard work that you put in and the way you raised me and the love that you gave me. You know, just just them hearing that I feel like it could be a real, a real special moment.
Speaker 1:You know, come on, that's even sparking an idea. I would challenge everybody to write a letter to their mom. I would challenge everybody to write a letter their mom. I would challenge everybody to write a letter, whether it's one page. Now, don't give her a 12-page letter, man, and send me a letter. It's like a Leah. Don't do that, you know, because she don't want to read all that. But you know something that she can put on her mirror or something she can, you know, put on the wall. She might even want to frame it. But a handwritten letter, hold on, let me say that, let me try it again A legible, handwritten letter, you know, to your mom's, just letting her know how much you appreciate her. Maybe drop a few memories in there that stood out the most and some milestones, and really just letting her know that you love her, that you're proud of her, that she did a great job, because you know, moms can always use reassurance, man, they're their toughest critics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So they can always use some reassurance. I think that'll be pretty powerful. And let me just add this while we're at it, because I want to be straight up I think that you know, services would really be more appreciated than than products, and what I mean by that is, you know, if you don't already. You know, get her hair done, get you know the pedicure, manicure, if she wants some polish, and all that. You that, keep all the diamonds and stuff off the fingernails like y'all do.
Speaker 1:Okay, mom want to keep it simple and sassy, right, just something like that that she would appreciate If she's comfortable with a massage or a spa day. Man, I think that that's something that in their day because, you know, a lot of mothers are older, a lot of mothers are more seasoned, but they work so hard and they did so many things to where they didn't really have time to pamper themselves. And so you know, instead of giving her a really really nice, expensive watch, that right there could be a whole spa day, you know, and she would really appreciate that, because the watch, if she loses the watch, she ain't even going to tell you she's just going to you're just going to have to ask her in a couple of years mom, where's that watch that I bought you?
Speaker 1:She's going to go, oh, baby.
Speaker 2:It's in the drawer. It's in the drawer somewhere right.
Speaker 1:Never saw it, or your daddy. He lost it. Blame it on him. I told him that I needed to get it sized down and then I could see it again.
Speaker 2:Never seen again, man.
Speaker 1:Never, ever so, man, I think that something like that, something so simple, and you can't really take that cash gift for granted. Man, moms like that cash, stop playing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, hey, cash is always accepted. She'll make it do what it do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then she can do what she want. But one thing you got to tell your mom, though you got to give them cash, you got to give them stipulations. Jay, come here, look, don't put this on a bill, don't pay your insurance on this.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, this is for you, yeah.
Speaker 1:Something you've been looking at, something that you want, something that's sitting in your cart right now. You know, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. I know they got those Amazon cards. There's something in there right now. Something is in there waiting to be purchased.
Speaker 1:Indeed, man Indeed. So you know, we definitely want to acknowledge again all the mothers and all the mother figures. God bless those out there whose mother is is not here on Earth but still, you know, in the heavenly presence. And so we know that you know mothers that stepped in which is called stepmothers. We know mother figures and so that might be the grandma or the auntie or big sister stepped in to be that mother figure. So we want to give you your flowers as well and show your appreciation and wish you an amazing Mother's Day celebration. I won't even say a happy Mother's Day, I'll just say a Mother's Day celebration, because every day our moms should be celebrated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself. Pops yeah, couldn't have said it better myself okay, well, look, that's.
Speaker 1:That's a wrap for us. Uh, remember check us out. If you have any questions, comments, check us out on our website.
Speaker 2:Uh, what's the website again, jay oh, you already know, but I gotta let them know. Know is wwwpopsandsunconversationscom. That's your one stop shop for all things Pops and Sun Conversations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and here is an official announcement Now that you're hearing this. By the time you're hearing this, we have launched our Pops and Sun Conversations Patreon.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So check out the website, get tapped in. We got the free trial so you can see what we have going on. And, man, we'll see you next episode and we'll see you on the Patreon having a good fun. And so we want to welcome you to the community. Welcome you to the community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and welcome to the Patreon community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we'll see you guys next episode. Popsun Conversations and we out we out.
