Pops and Son Conversations
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Pops and Son Conversations
Grandma Had A Better Wi‑Fi: It Was Family - Throwback Thursday
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Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Sun Conversations. As per usual, it is your favorite Sylvan Fox, Robin Lloyd.
SPEAKER_01:And it's Javen, aka Tech 3 Times.
SPEAKER_00:There it is. And welcome to another episode. Jay, how you feeling today?
SPEAKER_01:I feel good. You know, I feel good. How about yourself, Pop?
SPEAKER_00:I'm good. And the reason why I say that is, you know, we just got through June, men's month, men's mental health awareness month. And uh hopefully all is not forgotten. You know, all the support, you know, all of the clickbait. You know, hopefully we didn't just have bandwagoners that have hopped off already because you know we're in June now. So I mean we're in July now. So hopefully, you know, we've we've met some very uh strong allies, if you will, when it comes to uh the support of us men, because you know we need it, man. You know, we need to pretty bad. So, you know, I was thinking about, you know, since we're in heavy into uh July, um, you know when it comes to the patriotism and and things like that, in July, man, I think that there is a lot of identity crisis going on, you know, people trying to figure out, okay, what did what does the holidays really mean? You know, uh, what's behind it? You know, uh, why are we celebrating? Do we have the right? Are we uh you know celebrating appropriately? Yeah, you know, um, is this just you know, is this just a pagan holiday? You know, whatever the case is, you know, July is one of those months where you kind of think about I what what does this really mean to me, culturally, historically, you know, uh community-wise, ancestrally. So uh so I kind of want to dig in a little bit about the home, the family dynamic, and you know, just maybe we can we can name it like home is where the heart is. Oh, yeah. Right? Home is where the heart is, you know. We're not trying to do a Hallmark card, you know, but we are trying to make sure that we we do realize the importance of home because Jay, let's let's just be real. We hear more about broken homes than we do about homes that are actually staying together and creating legacy. Am I right or wrong? Nah, you're right. You're right when you're right. Hey, broken homes is a topic, a trending topic, right? But uh, you know, we have to really talk about you know the dynamic of the homes because there's a lot of homes that are doing um a lot of the right things. You know, I remember growing up, we would we would kind of stress about the importance of staying in that industry or staying in that field. And what I mean by that, Jay, is you know, your great-granddad, he he he, you know, uh, or your granddad is in the navy, right? So so I went into the military. Uh my sister went into the Marines. Um, none of y'all went into the military. I ain't mad at y'all though, right?
SPEAKER_01:I wanted to, though.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. But I I wouldn't I wouldn't have been mad either way, because you know, uh, there's a lot of evolution, but at the same time, there's always those intricacies of the unknown. So you don't know what would happen if you did go in, even if it was something that you wanted to do, uh, meaning job-wise, if you wanted to travel and things like that. So um, but me growing up, man, I remember it that it was so stressed that you follow in the footsteps of your family. So if there, if you're a family of lawyers, you better get ready to go to law school. I don't care if you want to play uh basketball, if you want to become uh uh an athlete or if you want to do something different, you go into law school. Uh, your mama, your daddy went to law school, your great granddaddy went to law, you go into law school. Now you can figure out after you get your law degree what you want to do after you get your practice, what you could do on the side, but no, you you're about to be a lawyer, you're about to be in law enforcement, you're about to be in politics, you you're about to be in sports. Even sports, man, even the lineage of sports goes a long way. So, you know, so let me ask you, Jason, what do you think when it comes to you know the parents being the first leaders and being that example in the household? Do you think that that is a good thing because they're paving a paving the way? Or do you think that could be traumatic because of the pressure of uh of the generations afterwards?
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it's one of those things where it could go um either way. And it's really a lot of times it's gonna be on the parent to kind of foster um what the child's reaction is gonna be. But I do think overall, um it's a good thing, though, because either way, there's some type of structure there, or there's some type of influence. I would rather have been in a household where uh my parents did something for me that they thought was gonna be in my best interest, and maybe I didn't necessarily agree with it 100%. But I mean, I don't think it's anybody, anybody out there that's uh mad that they have a uh a law degree or that's mad that they got, you know, their doctor or nurse or whatever the case, or or they're playing um, you know, in the NBA because their parents were so hard on them. Like that I don't think they're mad at that. But um, you know, at the same time, it just gotta be something that that the parents are are considerate about. But that on that flip side where you talk about the pressures, uh man, yeah, I I I can see that too. So overall, I I think it's probably for the best, and I think a lot of parents do do mean well, right? But you know, it's you know, it's just it's just one of those things, kind of case by case. But overall, I think they mean well, and I think it's probably better just for that structure, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'll add to that because not only the the structure, because that's that's what they know, right? Uh there's routines, uh, there's a blueprint to be able to be successful in in that that lane, but also you got to think about the resources, the people that they come across, right? The business owners, the the uh the CEOs, the VPs, you know, the the connections. And so really it's a it's a great opportunity to have that under your belt because even even with that, even having that structure, the access to resources, there's always gonna be that black sheep that's not gonna want to do none of that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_00:There's always gonna be, and even if it even if it's a black sheet moment, like you know what, now I don't want to do that, I want to figure it out on on my own. Thank you for paving the way for me to do that, but I don't want to do that at all. And so what can happen then is they uh uh the the parents may feel like, hey, you know what, you you're breaking up the legacy here, right? And plus you're you're not even uh a master at what you're talking about. So if you want to be a musician, right, you want you want to do something completely different, you want to be an actor, you know, you want to go into you know, maybe uh a different type of vocation, uh school or something like that, they're gonna feel like you're off course, but they're also gonna feel like they can't help you. And so I want I want to kind of dig into the difference between a role model and a mentor. Um, that this is one of my favorite subjects I like to talk about. Uh, you know, we just recently launched uh a mentor a mentorship program, uh starting with young men at 12 years old, um, called the EG League. So you guys can go to Pops and Sun and kind of get some more information. But you know, I love talking to the to the youth about the difference between a role model and a uh and a mentor. So, Jay, when when you think about it, what what comes to mind of the importance of both? Because I do feel like both have their place. But what do you think is the difference, or what comes to mind when you think about both of them?
SPEAKER_01:So, right off the bat, I feel like role models are more of like your public figures. Mentors are gonna be your personal ones, right? So your role models, uh, there might be somebody, and you know, this this phrase has been coined uh recently, your influencers. It may be an influencer you follow online that you just think is somebody cool, and you can maybe you identify with them. Uh they you see something in them that you don't uh or you or like I said, you identify. So, you know, maybe they're they're doing something that you do that you don't see a lot around you, or a lot of your friends don't do. So it it kind of makes you feel um, you know, a little bit more accepted or like, okay, this is maybe I'm not this this weirdo that like that's into such and such because this person I see is into it as well. But um a mentor, on the other hand, you know, that's somebody that, like I said, it's it's a lot more personal. That's gonna be somebody who sees your potential and um is even gonna hold you accountable to it. Um, you know, they'll give you feedback. Um, you know, like a coach is is is another good uh another good term I like to think of when you think about what coaches do, you know, to their players, like how they um, you know, maybe sometimes be a little bit hard on them, but it's only because they want to bring the best out of them and they see the potential and they want to help them grow.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, I agree with you 1,000%. Uh I always tell this story anytime I talk about mentorship and role models. I remember being booked to uh to host a rooftop party in uh Minneapolis, uh, Minnesota. And it was a bunch of ladies. I'm not gonna lie, man. It was probably about eight to ten ladies that was in this area that I was in the lobby of the hotel because the rooftop was at that hotel. And then there was like one guy. So I'm looking at the dude like, hey man, you you got to stay here. Like, we got to be eye to eye, we got to be on the same page, even if it's just for this moment. Set aside our differences and how you feel. We got to be on the same page. And I remember, you know, the conversation just talking about the difference between, you know, um, a role model and a mentor, and really I was talking more so the importance of a mentor in our communities, because a role model, you can you can have a role model be someone that you see or in and never meet, it could be an athlete, it could be an actor, it could be an author, um, it could be somebody who you know you is really popular, and that could be a role model, but that role model isn't necessarily taking you through the steps of success in whatever you're interested in, and so that's where a mentor comes into play because they specialize in helping you navigate through whatever you're interested in. And so if your dad sells cars, if if if your dad is a mechanic and you want to get into IT, well your daddy can't help you. Meaning he can't teach you, but I think what he can do is he can bridge the gap and get you access to that resource. Bridge the gap and introduce you to a mentor. I think that will be extremely powerful versus feeling like, oh well, he ain't your daddy, or I'ma always be your dad. And you know what I mean? And that can kind of defuse any type of animosity when it comes to that kid or that young adult really wanting to thrive in that field and not feeling like they're gonna disappoint their parents because they're not going into whatever uh that industry is through the lineage. So I think that that's extremely powerful. Um, mentorship is not easy, like in order to be a mentor, like you have to go through mentorship yourself. So you have to know what that process is like, you have to understand that each individual is gonna be different. People have different learning curves, and you have to be extremely flexible with all these different personalities.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think that today, um, I think we have a lot more role models than than mentors. I think we we definitely have a lack of mentors. And I think even that, you know, when we talk about the generations, I think there's a a disconnect there. You know, I'm not even sure if um, you know, they understand what you know what a mentor is or or or how to how to find one or how to seek one out or or you know how to um to to even go about that, you know what I mean? So yeah, it's it's it's definitely something that you know there's there's gotta be something done. You know what I mean? And I know there's there's different there's different programs, and I and and you know, I think we'll probably get into that a little bit later in the conversation. But um, yeah, I I agree with you 100%, Pops. Um mentorship definitely gotta uh be on the forefront, something that we got to to keep to keep pushing in and having conversations about.
SPEAKER_00:You have those conversations, and I think that these are the type of things that we need to look at when when we're doing the family reunions, and that that's even sounds foreign, right? Like when's the last time you went to a family reunion of yours? Yeah, I ain't talking about a good friend of yours that said that you know they're gonna be cooking, ribs, and everything. I'm talking about actually your family reunions, and family reunions don't have to be eight, nine generations and don't have to be 200 to 300 people, you know, at the cookout with t-shirts on, right? Family reunion can can literally be that people that you have not met in your in your uh lineage, in your family tree. Um, it could be just everybody being at the same place at one time for a change. Like those to me are family reunions that truly matter. So when we we get into that, when we talk about the parents being the leaders, that's something that we need to hold ourselves accountable for. Like, you know, uh, I want to see my aunts and uncles and cousins and siblings because you know they're adults and they live in different states. And let's let's make this happen because it's so easy to get caught up in your own family dynamic, and and you guys are you know going to the lake and you guys are going to to uh you know the mountains and and taking trips across seas and stuff like that when you have a whole generation that truly may need you, and at some point you may need them. Now you're in their city, now you're in their state. Now you realize you have a cousin who's the mayor. Now you realize that you have a uh a celebrity stylist aunt. Now you now you have, you know, uh Mr. Check three times in Atlanta.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, connect the dots.
SPEAKER_00:Can I come to one of your shows or something, bro? What's happening?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that's that's you know, that's so important when we when see connecting those dots though, right?
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:This is um, you know, this, but but this is also something that that I think a lot of people just, you know, it is is lost on them. And we talked about that structure earlier about in the household, but this is another, this is like another uh just like expansion of that, right? It's not even a structure, it's more like a an ecosystem, right? So when when you're able to, you know, touch down and and connect, you know, now you have a model of of you know what I'm saying, of of the network and and for you can yeah, so yeah, man, I think I think that's brilliant.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, for sure. You know, that's something that we have to be very intentional and remind ourselves, uh, remind those family members that are good at organizing and really make things happen. It doesn't have to be on a grand huge scale. We could just start with you know a handful of family members at a time and build from that. So I want to encourage you know all the listeners out there that you know family reunions does not have to be 400 people, and you go and you you renting out you know parks and or or not renting out parks and just taking over the grills. Oh man, right? You don't even have a permit, but you you using all six grills at the park, man. It's supposed to be public. Cut it out, man. Knock it off. But uh in real life, though, I do love uh those opportunities that we can take, those are so important. I've I've never been in any type of family gathering, family reunion, or whatever the case, and not feel heartwarm. Oh my heart is always warm. I'm I'm always happy to see, you know, even my siblings, and and you you've witnessed this, you know, a handful of times, you know, just the closeness. And you know, it's like uh even though we haven't seen each other in months and months and months, it's like we never missed a beat when we're in person. So I think that's really important for people to always keep that connectivity within your family and your household as well, of course.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's it's beautiful. I ain't gonna lie. Just sitting here thinking about it, reminiscing on them old days, man. You know, you get older and it's like you don't see your folks as often. So you have all those, you know, those those great memories of you know, y'all playing card games or board games or or whatever the case is. But uh yeah, that's that's why it's so important to just to keep the connectivity, keep that Wi-Fi connection going, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Definitely, definitely. You know what? Uh, I I do want to pivot a little bit. I want to because I want to make sure that we get enough time for this specific topic. Um, I I want to talk about what leadership looks like now versus what it looked like then. Um, and and obviously we'll talk about a few different generations, but I still believe the evolution and what is the opposite of evolution? Regression? What is the opposite?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's that's that would be one of those. Is that fair enough? Yeah, regression.
SPEAKER_00:So so I want the good, the bad, and ugly when we talk about leadership, and I want to be extremely transparent and candid about it. Because leadership, even before my time, being, you know, uh a 70s babies, and my parents, you know, being uh boomers, um, even leadership to them look a lot different. It looks a lot different because they had you know Martin Luther King Jr., they had Malcolm X, um, Marcus Garvey, you know, that maybe a little further back, but but they had um, you know, Jesse Jackson, uh Ralph David Abernathy, um, you know, they just had a lot uh going on. And these people was not playing games, they put their life on the line, Jay, to to stand up for the community, to stand up for uh for rights, civil rights. And it's different. Like uh, and we have to admit that that it is different, um, because this generation and some other generations, they they don't believe in doing all that, so to speak. They they want to figure out ways that they can do things different, right? So so now if you talk about marching, uh if you talk about boycotting, if you if you talk about doing different demonstrations, obviously it looks a lot different than it did in the 60s in the 70s.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, with the advent of things like social media and all that, we have a lot more avenues to kind of voice our opinions and you know congregate or or or rally, or even just to to spread awareness, you know what I'm saying? Uh about about issues that are going on.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, you mentioned those a lot of the a lot of the leaders, but you know, I would say a lot some of the leaders of of today that are kind of doing that. Um, you know, you got people like 19 Keys. I watched a lot of his videos. Riz of Islam does a good job of just you know, just kind of raising awareness and things like that. There's a guy named uh Wall Street Trapper that's raising awareness. So, and and interestingly enough, these are all uh what you would call influencers or role models, and that kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier about like we have a lot, a lot of role models, but I'm not sure if they're doing any actual uh mentorship um in the community. But yeah, so so the leadership of today is a lot different. It's not, I don't think it's as uh physical or in person, you know, it's a lot of you know, people talking about issues or people um you know, you know, getting mics and maybe doing a podcast or doing it um uh going live about it. But the actual work, I you know, I would have to agree with you that um is there is a key difference there, I would say.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And when you think about it, uh it digs a little deeper or did dig a little deeper back then because we're talking about the actual household. They talked about the importance of having a mother, father in the household. They talked about how important it was to have your grandparents in your household, right? So it talked more so about true family uh dynamic, like you can have a household of 20 people, right? Now listen now, take take that in perspective. So in today, our community laughs at the the Latinos or the the uh the Indian and uh the Native American, how they how they have big households. They talk about oh man, how you got 20 people in in your household like that, right? So think about it. We actually started that first. We started it first in our culture, you know. Grandma and granddad, between the two of them, they'd have 20 21 kids, they would have 15 kids. Yeah, everybody had a job to do, so it wasn't like all right, everybody's just laying around and and everybody got to go get a job. No, no, they was very uh domesticated. Uh, agriculture was huge, um, and just having a skill was was always, I would say, almost mandatory. Like you're gonna be doing something, right? You're gonna literally have a skill whether you wanted to or not, whether it is the the landscaping or or taking care of the pigs or whatever the case is, right? Wash uh washing the farm, the side of the farm, whatever the case is, everybody had a duty. So as they gotten older and had their own families, you gotta follow suit. And think about this, Jay. Think about this. If if you have everyone on that estate, if you will, on that farm, uh on that acreage, now we're talking about serious generational wealth. You're not kicking people out to go get an apartment they can barely afford just to come back to your house two years later. Right? So now we're talking about acreage. We're talking about pooling resources so we can make a can we can continue to make a conglomerate within our family structure and dynamic. We may start out with 10 acres, but if everybody's doing what they need to do, and we're raising funds and and and we have uh you know, we believe in group economics, all we're gonna do is continue to leverage that. And we're going to have acreage in different cities and different areas. We'll expand where we're at, but we're building, and so and so now it makes a lot more sense when we talk about raising our kids. Now they don't have to go to a daycare where we're paying$400,$450 a week, and and we're trying to get uh uh help from the government, and out of$450, they want to pay$75. Right? So now we're utilizing grandma, grandpa, great grandma, great-grandpa. They're now fulfilled in their older years, right? They're able to see their generations in front of them instead of oh, well, why my great-grandbabies don't come and see me? Right, because now they're raising them, and so now we can pull again our resources and we can get whatever we want. We may start out with a farm, but now guess what? Since we have money, we have education, we have uh resources, we have a diversity, uh uh uh you know, we're diverse within our own household, and so now we can have uh a law firm to extend the legacy. Now we we can have uh you know um a medical center, now we can have uh a security um agency in within our own generation. So to me, man, that's what legacy, you know, is all about. Um just really you know, respecting our elders and uh you know our neighborhoods, doing our check-ins. And to me, Jay, that that's old school. That's old school.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Now you cook. Now you definitely cook. But I mean, I don't know. So if that's old school, what was what's new school? I mean, we don't have, we're not doing that no more. Like people aren't living under the household like that, you know, doing a farm on the acreage and things like that. It's it's a lot more individualistic. So I think we've lost the even even the concept of that. You said earlier, you know, we laugh at when we see it like it's like it's almost uh frowned upon or something like that. But when really in reality, it's probably the smartest thing that you that you could do as a family.
SPEAKER_00:Um it has to be.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, when you think about it, even being chastised for having roommates. Now, I as men, Jay, we we get no mercy. Nah. Ladies, you you can all your girlfriends, you know, living living in a four-bedroom, three-bath, it makes sense to them, right? They're gonna save, uh, they're going to pull their resources together, they're gonna have groceries for days, they're gonna make it happen, they're gonna make that house a home for each one of those individuals. Now, you got four guys in a four-bedroom, four bath. What's that looking like on social media? What they talking about with that, Jay?
SPEAKER_01:Nah, man. Yeah, you getting you getting no mercy, man. You you got roommates, right? Oh man, nah, you got roommates. That's crazy. Like, like it's like you're not even supposed to do that. Man, like you're supposed to be fully self-sufficient, man. It's yeah, it's wild.
SPEAKER_00:That's the world we live in, though. Um, you know, and there's a lot of differences that we have to admit. Um, but but one thing that I feel like is nostalgic, which happens with a lot of people when they go to their grandparents' house or their great-grandparents' house that lives out there in the country, that that are uh minimalists, right? But they enjoy the non polluted air, right? The the excessive electronics, and and uh uh you know, it's just a simplistic lifestyle that you can appreciate. Birds chirping, bees buzzing, mascara.
SPEAKER_01:Mosquitoes, biking fireflies at night, all that.
SPEAKER_00:All of that, man. Nobody can say, and I'm I'm just being just straight up with this. Nobody can say that you don't get a sense of peace when you go out there to your great-grandparents, your grandparents' house. Number one, it's gonna be a drive. Oh yeah. It's gonna be a drive. And maybe not your parents, because your parents, you know, they moved into the city for whatever, but your great-grandparents and your great-great-grandparents, oh, you got to go to their land to go see about them, Jay.
SPEAKER_01:You gotta go to the land. It's a road trip.
SPEAKER_00:It's a road trip, and I and I love that because when you think about it, man, those are the you know, um, grandma with the with the the cakes, the homemade meals, sweet tea, the lemonade. Man, the food is just different over there. She's going out uh to to pick up fresh vegetables out the garden. You know what I mean? Like their food is organic. Oh man, it's it's just a whole different lifestyle. And you got to think about those porch talks, you know, and the the uh the uh the cookouts, the the music, everybody dancing, you know, there's no neighbors for miles away, so you don't have to worry about anybody calling 12. That's a different life and lifestyle. And and and one thing that I do have to mention those therapeutic talks with the elders. Oh man, you can absorb so much wisdom, and sometimes it's not even a private talk. You just listen to granddad, great granddad, like for instance on Father's Day, you listen to your granddad spit game, right? Yeah, drop him. And he wasn't about, hey, you know, uh be a ladies' man, don't settle, don't get me. He was actually encouraging relationships and marriage. He was just saying, you need you better vet uh vet better. That's what you better do, or you can get caught up in the matrix. So he did say that, but just being able to allow them to talk their talk, um, and they don't mind, like all of the folks, they they'll talk. Let them cook. Hey, they they gonna cook, man. And look, you you better sit back, relax, and be quiet and uh soak in that knowledge. That's your best bet.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Insight, man. There's too much insight and wisdom to let go the waste. I love hearing my elders speak, man. I, you know, it's it's one of those things where, you know, because I lost um my great-grandma a few years back, and I just kind of reminisce about her. And and it could be something that at the time, you know, you think it's something trivial, but you know, one thing that she would always do, she would go out in the yard and just just look at flowers, just look at and and and it took me so long to understand why she was out there for so long. Like she'd be out there for an hour. Yeah, like man, I'm like, man, where is she? She yeah, she's out there looking at me. Yeah, yeah. Until I got out there one time and I did, I'm like, oh, this this is grounding, this is peace. This is you know, just being out in this nature reminds you of of who you are and and you know, and what you are. So yeah, but the elders man's wisdom and insight, and never, never mistake it.
SPEAKER_00:Most definitely, you know, uh, shout out to um, you know, your grandma, granddad, bob and d malow. You did this is how you know it's old school when when they say their names together. That's that's how you know. Uh Mark and Martha, you know, I'm saying uh uh Abigail and Anthony, Bob and D, like that lets you know that they're one. You you only have to try to figure out if they still married or they're still together because you're saying their name as if it's one, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Package, right?
SPEAKER_00:They packaged up, man. Speaking of package, look, we're gonna go ahead and wrap up this show. And man, listen, we want you guys to continue to give us some feedback on our show through all our social media platforms. Uh, we love the fact that you guys are subscribing to our Patreon. Uh, we love receiving the emails of uh of just showing love and you know, some ideas. And man, you know, uh support is so important, and we want to continue to make sure that we are servants and getting the information out there to you all as well as uh representation. So I'll tell you what, Jay, we we may have to we may have to double up on on this this community thing. So I think that we're gonna have to come back and and talk about you know some of the things that have been effective, maybe some of the things that we can do better, some uh actionable steps that our community and our listeners can actually uh implement in the community. And uh, you know, just get some tips and and and just you know be the ones that start the impact instead of just kind of waiting around for the leaderships.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I love it. I love it, and I and I know they'll love it too.
SPEAKER_00:There it is. Hey, look, hey, we love you guys. Check us out next episode Pops and Sun Conversations your favorites Hill Fox, Rob Malloy. Javen aka check three times. Hey, and we'll see you guys next time. Be blessed, we out.
