Accountability Over Blame: Choosing Growth After Heartbreak

The hardest part isn’t the goodbye—it’s knowing when the relationship actually ended. We crack open the emotional mechanics of breakups, from the first “canon event” heartbreak many men face in their 20s to the subtle signals that a partnership has quietly expired. Along the way, we talk openly about accountability, effort, and why revenge cheating only deepens the wound you’re trying to close.

We start with intention. If love is the game, practice matters: consistent communication, repair after conflict, respect in daily choices, and alignment on goals. Without those habits, disappointment multiplies. We share how to gauge real progress versus day-to-day drift, how self-respect beats sunk-cost thinking, and why clear boundaries are a gift to both people. Then we wade into taboo territory—are there second chances after betrayal, does marriage deserve a longer fight, and how do you decide between rebuilding and releasing? We offer honest, nuanced takes: marriage may call for deeper repair attempts; dating rarely justifies ignoring obvious patterns.

This conversation also tackles men’s vulnerability and the backlash that too often greets it online. We advocate for healthy expression and practical closure—an uncomfortable but necessary conversation that prevents old pain from poisoning new love. If you’ve wondered when to call it quits, how to heal without getting even, or how to carry lessons forward without carrying baggage, you’ll find clarity, compassion, and real-world steps here.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Kicking Off And Topic Reveal
• 5:23 Emotions, Trauma, And Why We Quit
• 7:18 The “Canon Event” Breakup For Young Men
• 9:23 Men’s Vulnerability And Backlash Online
• 11:09 When To Call It Quits
• 13:41 Practice Vs Game: Effort And Alignment
• 14:54 Respect, Self-Respect, And Letting Go
• 16:43 Post-Breakup Navigation And Staying Friends
• 20:16 Accountability Myths And Owning Your Part
• 23:04 Revenge Cheating And Trust’s Point Of No Return
• 26:09 Marriage, Endurance, And Rebuilding Boundaries
• 29:29 Foundations, Rumors, And Social Media Pressure
• 33:05 Hard Conversations, Closure, And Next Steps
• 37:00 Teasing Part Two And Final Encouragement

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 1:51

Welcome to another episode of Pops and Sun Conversations. And of course, it's your favorite soul, Fox Rob Malloy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58

And it's on here, Javen, aka Check Three Times. And we in here. Yes, yes, we in here. We popped.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07

2026. Now look, we we've already taken care of the pleasantries of you know Happy New Year, New Year resolutions, and things like that. But Jay, it's time to get to it.

SPEAKER_01: 2:21

Yeah, we got to.

SPEAKER_00: 2:23

This is this is what you guys have been asking for. We decided again to grab one of the topics that were highly recommended. And if you want to know how to submit, you can always go to any of our social media platforms. Um personally recommend Facebook or IG. Like that's one of the easiest ones to get to us. You see the different posts. And if you have a subject, if you have a topic, if you have a story, those are going to be the places that you can always go. And of course, you can always hit that website. What's the website for them, Jay?

SPEAKER_01: 2:57

You go to Popsand Son Conversations with an S dot com. Popsand Sun Conversations.com.

SPEAKER_00: 3:03

Bada boom, bada bing. All right. So look, Jay, uh, we pulled um a topic out of the hat, and I want you to go ahead and make the announcement of what our episode will be about today.

SPEAKER_01: 3:19

Our episode today is gonna be about relationship breakups. Breakups, when do you call it quiz? How do you how do you handle that? How do you manage it? Um we'll we'll go through it here. So y'all, you this this will be a fun episode.

SPEAKER_00: 3:36

It'll be a fun episode. So we're gonna go ahead and get to it. Uh man, so we start talking about breakups, man.

SPEAKER_01: 3:43

Uh she man, it's tough. Yeah, it is tough. It's really good.

SPEAKER_00: 3:50

So so I'm gonna go ahead and be you know transparent, man. Being in the uh in the field or the industry of you know, coaching those that have you know experienced divorce, you know, a lot of times I I hear stories about how the decision of divorce was made, and I'm like, really? You you divorced over that? It's amazing because I think so many decisions are made through emotions. So many decisions are made through past traumas that are unresolved, and so when you experience something that you think is similar, you you shut down or you quit. Meanwhile, I would think that if you've experienced some past traumas and things like that, that you would you would want to learn how to navigate through that so you don't just completely ignore it, or you don't completely just try to avoid it, or you just completely decide not to deal with it, and it becomes you know an unresolved trauma. So you know, breakups breakups happen, and you know it's tough because you you you meet somebody and you feel like you know what this person checks off everything on the list. I'm attracted to them, I love the way they talk and express themselves to me. You know, I I love all these beautiful things um about them, and then you you get hit with disappointment. Disappointment is inevitable, Jay.

SPEAKER_01: 5:27

Right. Yeah, man, you know, I think you know, we've all we've all been there. Um, I recently came across a theory about uh uh men during during breakups, though, young men. I I believe that I think a lot of young men have a canon event, and it usually happens in their 20s, maybe mid-20s, where the breakup there is like the first really crucial breakup, and it's gonna determine really how you deal uh with your relationships from there out, just determine just based on how you know how bad it is. Because when you think about it, you know, you okay, maybe you did some stuff, you you're talking to girls in middle school, then high school, you had a little crush or whatever the case is, but you get older around your 20s, mid-20s, this is like the first real, you know what I mean, like relationship that you you probably put you all in. You know what I'm saying? You oh, I love you, this, that, and the third, maybe even propose and things like that. Yeah. So when it doesn't work out, it's it's crushing, right? It's it's it's like your whole world is shattering, you don't know what to do, you you're not eating, you know what I'm saying? All this different type of stuff. But it's going, that's that type of breakup is going to um, I think really determine how a lot of men deal with with uh relationships going forward, you know, how much they're willing to to uh divulge of themselves and and and just different things like that. So I just thought that was that that was um that was an interesting point that is I saw the other day.

SPEAKER_00: 7:03

Well, you know, um I also feel like uh a lot more of us men are being you know more transparent about our expression and more transparent about you know our feelings and and perspective. And that has also led to a higher number of attacks. Right. You know virtual cyber attacks, if you will, because again, you know, historically, you know, men have been taught to uh not share your feelings, to be tough, to be quiet, to don't be acting like a girl, uh toughen up, that type of thing. So, what do you think is gonna happen when that eight-year-old boy is a 25-year-old young man? Right? Do you is it gonna increase? Like he's already, you know, strickened uh with that conditioning. So um, you know, that's why I'm so glad that you know our relationship is so solid that we can share our transparencies, you know, with our audience because it's not about us doing everything the right way, but it's actually being vulnerable to say that we could have done things better and we're continuing to learn. So if if you can have that type of mindset, man, that'll take you uh so far and and put you in unimaginable places, you know, from uh uh a mental aspect, emotionally, spiritually, physically, and financially.

SPEAKER_01: 9:10

Yeah, facts, facts, facts.

SPEAKER_00: 9:12

So um yeah, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01: 9:14

Yeah, let me let me ask you this though. So um, you know, we on we on breakups, we're talking about it. What what would you say is really the time? Like, how do you know when it's really time to call it quits? Because we know relationships, they drag sometimes they drag on. People want to try to salvage it, they want to try to take each other back, and you know, I did you wrong, you did me wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. When is the real time to actually call it off?

SPEAKER_00: 9:40

Man, that that's a tough question, but that is such a powerful question, and I think that that's something that people really need to look at because, like you mentioned, you go through the ups and downs, and you're thinking that you guys are time tested when out our all actuality your relationship has already expired, right? So you're just dealing with it, and so um I would say that you have to do the work on the front end, it's so important to do the work on the front end, and what I mean by that is you really have to be intentional, uh, you you have to be uh absolutely zero tolerance in what your goals are in a relationship because it should be easier to gauge where things are going or if it's not going anywhere. So, for example, if if you're with someone and you guys are like, okay, well, we're going to you know date, we're gonna spend some time with each other, see how much we have in common, and then you know, keep this thing going. So you still have to be realistic in the beginning of what you want your goals to be because you may be dealing with someone that doesn't have the same ideal of what a long-term relationship is gonna be like. You may be dealing with somebody who has never been in a committed relationship. So while you're thinking, okay, we're progressing because we're six months in and things seem cool, this person right here, they're they're a go with the flow, right? So so you're not even really on the same page because one is thinking progress and the other one is thinking day-to-day. And if you can really get intentional about that, and more importantly than that, Jay, is comprehend where that other person is or wants to go. So I think clarity in the beginning is gonna be key. And then it's gonna let you know because it's like uh, you know, if if you're playing ball, if you're a basketball player, right? And you know, you decide, hey, you know, you're gonna uh in order to get better, you gotta shoot some free throws, you gotta practice your free throws, you gotta practice, you know, uh layups and and and passing the ball. And if your person keeps coming to the game without practicing with you, then how are those those results gonna be per game? And I call the game meaning the challenges. So if I'm practicing on my left hand layups and she don't practice at all, when we get in the game and I pass it to her, and she's on the left side of the board, what's gonna happen? She's gonna miss. She's gonna miss. And I can't be mad if I know she doesn't practice. She can't be mad if she knows I don't practice my free throws, and then we got 0.5 seconds to go, and it's up for me to make that free throw, and I don't shoot the shot or I miss the shot. So I, you know, but I feel like just opening up your eyes in the beginning, and of course, man, it's gonna take some trial and error, but at the same time, if we can be a lot more intentional, Jay, if we can really start looking at, all right, does this actually make sense? Is this person doing the things? Are we doing the things that's gonna make our relationship better? When we address the issues, are we actually taking those actionable steps to improve? Yeah, we just hoping things don't get better in time. So, all that to say, you know, if if you can see that commitment on the front end, then when you see that there is a lack of uh a lack of effort, when you see that there is a uh a nonchalant attitude to improve, and when you can see that that person, you know, really does not care if things get better, worse, or indifferent, then you gotta cut those ties and not even look back.

SPEAKER_01: 13:34

Yeah, yeah. I appreciate that word, Pops. You said a lot, and I I I hope that people are listening because you know it's so it's so easy to just just want to stay. You know what I mean? Because because you you have this fantasy in your head, or you, you know, you feel like you invested so much time into a history. Exactly, history. But at the end of the day, if it's not going anywhere, then why why are you there? Like there's there's no point, you know, it's it's it's no point, especially if they're not if they're not showing up the way they need to. You know, I think it comes down to it to a respect thing. Like, are you are are they respecting a relationship? Are they respecting you? Are you respecting yourself? You know what I mean? That's that's really what it what it's about. So yeah, y'all, y'all, you know, you gotta you gotta do some some uh some checking, man. You just gotta check on yourself, check your position. And anybody that's going through a breakup right now, hey, it's going to be okay. I promise you. That's right. I've been through a breakup. It was not easy, but I continue to go, you know, every day and just continue to focus on myself and you get through it. You know what I mean? Yeah, you do. Definitely get through it.

SPEAKER_00: 14:52

You do. Uh, we'll we'll talk about you know some of the things that that you know people can do post-breakup that'll actually help them navigate through the next chapter, you know, but we have to normalize that sometimes relations relationships will end and it won't be favorable. Like sometimes, and I'll ask you that I'll flip this on you, Jay. Like, sometimes people feel like, okay, we can't be lovers anymore, we can't be partners, but can we be friends? Right? So, first of all, we got to normalize, you know, endings without you know things being detrimental, or you just kind of ruining, you know, yourself, right? And uh, you know, ventil uh and I hate to do this, but I gotta do this, man. But you know, the whole villainizing the other person for me is wild because I kind of feel like that that takes away the accountability. Nobody's doing everything perfect, or or we can actually do things better in our relationship. So it's it's never one-sided because there's choices and decisions made on both ends. And Jay, we talked about this before. Like, what you guys don't know is we don't put everything on Pops the Sun conversations uh podcast, right? We really do have some uh intriguing, real intimate conversations that you know from a father and a son that I think is important, but I will share this one. So, Jay, you remember that um we talked about how you know meeting a woman and and if you happen to decide to discuss you know her previous relationship or previous relationship, you know, the history of it. Um, we talked about the how often does she share her contributions to the to the breakup?

SPEAKER_01: 18:07

To the downfall, right?

SPEAKER_00: 18:08

Like if you if you had to take five out of five, and and this this aren't necessarily people that you know you're going to date, just women that you talk to and you have this conversation. So out of five women that you discussed, that that you know you guys had a conversation about the breakup, out of five women, how many talked about their contribution to the breakup?

SPEAKER_01: 18:30

I man, listen, I don't think any of them, I think every I think every statement is gonna start with he did or he. It's not gonna be a I. You know, you throw that accountability away, and you know, you you paint yourself, you know, as the hero and the other person is the villain. Like that's just that's just how it goes.

SPEAKER_00: 19:07

That that's tough. So um taking a step further, and I'll answer the same question because I know they want they want to hear what I got to say, but uh even taking that same scenario, Jay, did you discover about that person as you continue to get to know them? Like, do you have you ever so have you ever met a woman that's like you know what? I'm not having uh a lot of great success or good outcomes and meeting men and stuff like that. And as you get to know that person, will you ever like you know what? I kind of see some things that and I understand why you might not be getting favorable results right now because that people can be in a certain space for a long time, right? And they gotta kind of get out their own way, but they can be in a certain space and not even realize it. So somebody gotta help them out. So have you have you ever experienced that before?

SPEAKER_01: 20:03

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, you know, I I you know, I when some, you know, I talk to women, it's not always, you know, in a pursuit. So, you know, it's I think it's okay to have just platonic relationships and things like that. So um, you know, I've been able to give advice to some of the women I call friends and just kind of let them know, like, maybe if you switch this up, maybe if you do this, or maybe if you just change your perspective on certain things.

SPEAKER_00: 20:32

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01: 20:33

Um, it'll help, it'll help you out in the dating field a lot more. Um, and maybe you'll get some different results. So, yeah, for sure, I've I've I've I've definitely ran into that. And I also want to mention earlier, um, because I said I didn't, I I haven't talked to any of them, I I want to take that back there. I I would say it's four, I say four out of five. I'll give I'll give a, you know, I'll give a number. I say four out of five women are gonna say that it was the man rather than really take accountability and talk about the troubles that they had within the relationship rather than come some blame. There are women out there that's gonna let you know, like, hey, I did some things, he did some things, but I don't, I think it's I don't think it's a lot that are going to um, you know, be real honest about what happened in the relationship.

SPEAKER_00: 21:23

I I can't disagree. I mean, of course, that's your perspective and that's your experience. And so I would say at 50, man, at 50 years old, and uh, you know, someone who has a platform that talks about uh relationships, it talks about marriage, divorce, being engaged, breakups, all of that. If I had to just isolate five, uh, I would say uh two out of five, you know, I think that there's been a lot of more uh self-aware women, and they're learning that, you know, because of certain patterns, uh, certain behavior that they have, you know, allowed, uh, that they have condoned, that that it's on them. Like, because you have an opportunity to make a choice. And and um, you know, I feel like that there's a lot of women that are aware, um, but the reason or their justification, again, is is more so that obligation. You know, this is my child's father, this is my husband, this is my high school sweetheart, this is the guy that got me out of a previous situation, right? You know, so so the uh the pledge of allegiance, if you will, and but they know a lot of times, man, women know they're like, you know what? My gut feeling, I didn't follow my gut, or I saw some things and I just ignored it, or we had so much trauma that it bonded us to where, you know, at that moment I didn't care. I just wanted comfort, I just wanted refuge, I just wanted to quote unquote be in a safe space and feel protected, especially of whatever they were dealing with before, which again, you know, that can be a vicious cycle. So uh I'm gonna give you ladies, you know, uh uh two out of five that uh that are being accountable um of knowing and not, you know, doing what is probably best for you. And again, you know, your reasoning is gonna be whatever you want it to be, right? Like I'm not gonna challenge your reasoning. That's that's what you decided to do. But yeah, Jay, it gets it gets really interesting, man. And and um I I I honestly can say that you know, there are a lot of women that, like I mentioned before, are very self aware. Um that due to the hurt, due to the pain, due to you know, maybe even some hatred and animosity, you know, that they they had to have revenge, brother. Like, that's kind of what I want to talk about. Like, we're getting deep and we're running out of time, right? So we might have to bust this up into two. Yeah, for sure. So, Jay, man, let's let's let's get deep. And this is gonna keep our listeners uh very aware that we're willing to talk about anything that may be considered taboo or or untouched when it comes to uh conversation. So, you know, Jay, so there's there's a saying that um, you know, before you do something stupid, now typically women say this, right? Before you step out, before you do something that you're gonna regret, talk to me, let me know how you feel, and then you know, in let me make an informed decision to if you know, if I'm willing to change some things, if I'm willing to, you know, compromise, whatever the case is, before you go step out and get to talking to another woman, get to being intimate with another woman, and just desiring and getting your lust on, right? Right. Um so let's say that that happens. Let's say that the guy steps out. Y'all, we'll keep it real. He steps out now. Instead of that woman saying, you know what, all right, you you uh this is a deal breaker, it's over with. So instead of doing that and saying, you know, you I I've reached my my limitations, she gets into a situation to where she just wants to do tit for tat. She wants him to feel her pain, right? And we all know women or a lot of women, they say that I can do anything that you can do, but even better. So she's gonna really go after some pressure points to make this guy hurt. So, Jay, so that being said, where does the uh mantra once a cheater, always a cheater? So if a woman goes after revenge, right, does does she is she now categorized as a cheater and she can't come back from that?

SPEAKER_01: 28:12

Um shee.

SPEAKER_00: 28:17

Uh so you saying this, so revenge does revenge cheating count?

SPEAKER_01: 28:22

Count as once a cheater, always a cheater. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I I feel like if you're willing to go to that point, you know, I for me, for me it's black and white, right? You know, if you're gonna cheat, then you know, you you're gonna you do it once, you'll do it twice. I feel like um, I feel like it's it's gonna take a lot of convincing for me to believe um otherwise. Because even if it's a revenge thing, right, you know, the way that it's that it's measured, like I don't have I don't have control on on whether you feel it's right or not to go and get get get your get back. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 29:02

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01: 29:03

I don't have no control over how you determine whether or not you need to go and and make that happen. So I I'd rather not even not even just open that can of worms and deal with that point blank period. Because now I'm looking like, I'm like, man, I don't know if if if you caught me, maybe I was texting somebody you ain't like, or maybe you saw me look the wrong way. So now you gonna try to go and you know what I'm saying, do something to like nah, I don't I don't want I don't want to go down that go down that route. Um that yeah, so I that's that's that's just me though. Like I think Yeah, I I just don't even don't even tell me that you that you did that because now I'm looking at you a certain type of way, like yeah, I don't even yeah, don't even tell me that I had to find out on my own. And then not judge.

SPEAKER_00: 29:53

The reason that's so tough, and let's just be honest, man, there's a lot of women that's willing to take their indiscretions to the grave. Facts, yeah, right. So just just because of the the entire uh uh ideology of a woman, right? Her virtuosity and things like that, and you know, I I would never do anything like that, you know, and and they they're gonna keep that that imagery, if you will. And so I think it gets interesting, Jay, because again, I think that a person just has certain things inside of them, either you have it inside of you or you don't, right?

SPEAKER_02: 30:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 30:31

So I feel like I was talking to a friend the other day, I was like, you know what? There's natural instincts in human that we have to literally fight every day. Some of those things is jealousy. I think that we have to literally fight every day, not to be jealous and envious of folks because when you think about it, somebody gets a brand new car, right? It could be your best friend, and you're like, Well, dang, how they get that? You know what I mean? I'm working hard over here, man. I should have got mine. Like, it's we have to fight against it, but then we're like, you know, that's our partner, right? So show love, but in again, in the back, it's like I feel some type of way. So I feel like some people have certain things, some people don't. And in other words, if if a woman or man is like, you know what, my my partner, they uh they were unfaithful, they cheated on me. It's a deal breaker. I would rather just cut things off than go through this vicious cycle or go down this rabbit hole of in the back of my mind, are they doing it again? If if they didn't come home when they said, were they out with that person? Right? And then you just kind of go through this this game and these emotional turmoil, just just cut it.

SPEAKER_01: 31:42

Yeah, just cut it, right? Just it's the best for your message. You need to cut it, like L T.

SPEAKER_00: 31:49

So I think that you know that's some of the things we have to take in consideration. Now, do I think that there are some uh exceptions to the rule? Yeah, I do. I feel like exceptions to the rule, Jay, is marriage. I feel like the exception to the rule is marriage. If you have a spouse, if you have you know your partner, you have your companion, I feel like you have to go through great lengths to repair your marriage before you call it quits. Now, if you guys are dating, don't give it long term, short time, short term, and you like, okay, you know what, they've already hit a couple of deal breakers, and we had a conversation and it's repeat behavior. What you think gonna happen when you guys get married?

SPEAKER_02: 32:35

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00: 32:36

Right, it's gonna it's gonna be tougher. And and I I believe when you're when you're married, God gives you the strength, he gives you the tools and the resources to renew your marriage, right? I feel like he can renew it, and it's gonna take that, it's gonna take some uh extraordinary activity, it's gonna take you know superhuman strength to be able to get through that. And I know that that a lot of times, and we I don't know if we see this in younger couples, unfortunately, Jay, but when we start talking about the wherewithal and the bandwidth of uh stay power in marriages, is usually the season folks, right? It's the people that's 20 years, 25, 30 years in the game, maybe 40, 50 in the game. Now you know that they've done been through some ish.

SPEAKER_01: 33:26

Had to, right?

SPEAKER_00: 33:29

But but again, the bigger picture is gonna be legacy, the bigger picture is gonna be uh, you know, creating a strong uh dynamic and um building block within that family. Like, you know, somebody right now, and and a couple that's been, I mean, you we see that on social media all the time, whether it's celebrity, whether it's people that we know, whatever the case is, you know, they get married and and and big old wedding and things like that. Then you know, three years later, you know, they they got the uh they got the uh the content flyer, whatever with the crack in the middle.

SPEAKER_01: 34:09

Oh man. Right?

SPEAKER_00: 34:11

We're talking about breakup, and it and it may be, you know, who knows what it may be. It may be because of social media, it may be, you know, infidelity, it may be rumors or whatever the case is, man. But I just feel like people uh don't really have a strong foundation because you got to know your partner at some point. Like there's certain things you're like, you know what, I don't think my partner would do something like that. But if they did, it had to be something extreme. So let's get to the bottom of it.

SPEAKER_01: 34:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 34:46

So that being said, um, I also want to kind of deal with avoiding those hard conversations to keep the peace, man. And as we kind of wrap this thing up, man, uh historically, men have not been great verbal communicators, and I was very specific. Historically, men have not been great verbal communicators. We are excellent nonverbal communicators, Jay.

SPEAKER_02: 35:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 35:14

We are better nonverbal communicators than women. I feel like women historically have been great uh uh communicators in terms of they they can let you have it, yeah, for sure. Right? You gotta take the battery out the back, man, in order to get some peace, right? So they they can unload, but then they're trying to figure out why you have nothing to say, but you've been looking at the wall for the last 45 minutes because they've been talking without taking two breaths, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 35:43

Facts.

SPEAKER_00: 35:44

So that nonverbal communication is like, look, this ain't a factor, baby. Right now, this ain't a fact. You done said what you said 10 different times, 10 different ways. Same thing. And it's not it's not working. So I think, man, having those uncomfortable conversations is gonna be key, uh, you know, when it comes to relationships. And of course, you know, we're talking about more so on the breakup side. Um, I just think that this is a part of that. When you have the the uncomfortable conversation at the end, I can kind of give you that quote unquote clarity, quote unquote uh what do they call it? Closure, Jay.

SPEAKER_01: 36:27

Closure, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 36:28

Yeah, have have those difficult conversations. So so you don't have that residual afterwards.

SPEAKER_01: 36:35

Yeah, I definitely agree. Um, and you may find it even a bit easier. Like it it sounds hard, but if y'all have already went through the breakup, that you should be ready, you know what I'm saying, after because one one of the things that that you'll experience throughout your breakup or after the breakup is your hindsight is gonna be 2020. You're gonna think about everything that you did or everything they did, how they could have changed, maybe if you had to say something, this, that, and the third. So I think that's a good period afterwards to have that uncomfortable conversation about, you know, maybe even why things went the way they did. Not trying to get back together, but the closure is gonna be good because uh you're gonna you're gonna have some some unanswered questions. You're gonna have some things that you wonder about. Yeah, that's going to and it could carry over until your next relationship. And you don't wanna you don't wanna put that person through it just because you were afraid to, you know what I'm saying, try to have the adult conversation about what just happened here. So uh yeah, definitely I agree with you, Pops, on that one.

SPEAKER_00: 37:43

Look, we're gonna have to do a part two on this one because number one, it's getting intense in the studio, right? I I need to go get some ice water and cool off a little bit. But but not only that, I want to make sure that we address a few things because uh we did go off on a tandem when we talked about being in the relationship. But I also want us to make sure that we deal with the actual breakup, talk about navigating afterwards because uh we both can you know share some, I feel like some very uh actionable steps and very effective steps, and then give you perspective from a man, you know, from a young man, from a seasoned man. And I think that that'll add value. So look, we're gonna pause uh and then you know, we're gonna rock with you guys next episode. We promise to finish up the conversation of uh relationship breakups, etc. And uh, you know, and just understand that relationship breakups, it's a reality. It's it's not a failure, right? It's an experience to learn from and to move on from and take everything that you've learned and apply it to your next chapter. So uh, you know, so stay encouraged and uh just know we got your back. This is your favorite silver fox, Rob Malloy.

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All right, check three times checking out Pops and Sun Conversations.

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We'll see you guys next episode. We out.

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Peace.